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76 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:08:48 -0400 brad <babscritique at gmail.com> wrote: > But a smart alleged criminal who knows that this is the game can use > the good cop and the dynamic to their advantage. No? No. The only thing you can do is lawyer up and refuse ...

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Author:	Michael Smith
Date:	Tue Jun 14 13:32:12 PDT 2011

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The DdP regularly blunts or destroyes in one way or another such movements. In other words, the DP is anti-political,. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can you talk of the DP as monolithic. My local DP is anything but anti-political. I also would disagree with your strict divide between electoral and movement politics ...

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Author:	brad
Date:	Tue Jun 14 12:14:08 PDT 2011

78 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Julio Huato <juliohuato at gmail.com> wrote: > Let me start with the Fidel Formula: Whatever Gaddafi's record may > have been up to the point when NATO moved to attack the country, his > obligation then, as the leader of Libya, was to ...

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Author:	Dennis Redmond
Date:	Tue Jun 14 10:36:42 PDT 2011

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I'm not, of course, trying to persuade you. See the threads with the subject liens "Dusup" or "Dustup Revisited" from a few years ago. But it would probably improve the discussion if you stopped making up arguments that I don't make. "Politics" to me means mass movements, which intersect ...

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Author:	Carrol Cox
Date:	Tue Jun 14 10:20:00 PDT 2011

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... at 9:15 AM, Julio Huato wrote: > Obama is calling Weiner to resign. He should flip the finger at Obama... ...and ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Jun 14 08:25:35 PDT 2011

81 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 812

... is anyone here how is claiming that the DP or Weiner is going to be the savior of the left. I ...

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Author:	brad
Date:	Tue Jun 14 07:08:48 PDT 2011

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Re. the Democrats and the workers' struggle, my essay requires updating and trimming (unnecessary verbosity clouds my point), but I believe it's basically on the mark: http://www.swans.com/library/art11/jhuato01.html

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Author:	Julio Huato
Date:	Tue Jun 14 07:01:12 PDT 2011

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Carrol wrote: The problem with the DP is NOT that "they don't support our whole program." The 'trouble' with the DP is that they constitute the main enemy. I don't 'criticize' them anymore than Churchill 'criticized' Hitler. They (or rather it, the leadership) oppose (quite successfully most of the ...

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Author:	brad
Date:	Tue Jun 14 07:00:33 PDT 2011

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SA: "The evangelical hymn was appropriate, because this is an evangelical approach to politics. It's about saving souls - but who cares about saving souls? Surely, as someone who admires Marx, you can see that businesses can't be brought to be nice to workers through moralism; consumers can't be ...

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Author:	Wojtek S
Date:	Tue Jun 14 06:28:27 PDT 2011

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... imperialists with everything at his disposal. In the case of Weiner, I'm totally behind him under the Fidel Formula. Whatever ...

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Author:	Julio Huato
Date:	Tue Jun 14 06:15:38 PDT 2011

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On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Michael Smith <mjs at smithbowen.net> wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:16:14 -0400 > // ravi <ravi at platosbeard.org> wrote: > > > But still it was a bit of fine art on your part to > > combine friend and foe, by labelling me ...

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Author:	Alan Rudy
Date:	Tue Jun 14 04:29:34 PDT 2011

87 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 812

... but I'll make it now. To the extent that Weiner can be forced from office at all, it is the ...

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Author:	Billy O'Connor
Date:	Tue Jun 14 02:56:47 PDT 2011

88 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

----- Original Message ----- From: "Somebody Somebody" <philos_case at yahoo.com> Does anyone seriously suppose that center-left bourgeois politicians being forced from office by conservatives and sexual puritans advances the interests of the working class? Where's the evidence for this assertion? ___________________________________ I haven't heard anyone make such an ...

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Author:	123hop at comcast.net
Date:	Mon Jun 13 20:44:42 PDT 2011

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... phenomenon. If he were taken off the board, a la Weiner, he would be replaced by another tomorrow, as Weiner will be. Seeing either one of them with egg on ... breathtakingly infantile. It matters on what basis a neoliberal like Weiner is tossed out of office. If a Clinton is impeached ...

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Author:	Somebody Somebody
Date:	Mon Jun 13 20:10:05 PDT 2011

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On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:16:14 -0400 // ravi <ravi at platosbeard.org> wrote: > But still it was a bit of fine art on your part to > combine friend and foe, by labelling me a sociobiologist! :-) I hereby apologize, in the most abject and categorical manner that you could possibly ...

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Author:	Michael Smith
Date:	Mon Jun 13 19:54:27 PDT 2011