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46 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

CB: "government's role is to "let them alone" - laissez faire, the classical liberal slogan." [WS:] But laissez faire is a conscious policy choice, one of many possible - not some pre-established systemic harmony that philosophers like to talk about. The fact that the USG chose this policy over others means ...

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Author:	Wojtek S
Date:	Wed Jun 15 11:02:38 PDT 2011

47 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

Here's a cop telling you why you should never talk to a cop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc They know a million tricks. Doug ^^^^^ CB: However, the analogy between good cops/bad cops and Dems/Reps breaks down, and the advise not to talk to cops does not ...

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Date:	Wed Jun 15 10:32:13 PDT 2011

48 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

Thanks, Doug. You may have saved someone on this list from deep trouble in the future. As I said, it's amazing how naive some leftists can be on this. Carrol On 6/15/2011 11:24 AM, Doug Henwood wrote: > On Jun 15, 2011, at 12:15 PM, 123hop at ...

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Author:	Carrol Cox
Date:	Wed Jun 15 10:28:09 PDT 2011

49 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

CB: The "It's the economy" proposition implies that the American voters hold the President responsible for pretty much the "whole" economy, not just the economic conditions of a lot of people. [WS:] There is something in between the above and no control whatsoever, no? The captains of industry can pull ...

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Date:	Wed Jun 15 09:33:23 PDT 2011

50 [lbo-talk] Weiner schnitzel! -- rank: 773

On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Carrol Cox wrote: > It continues to amaze me the number of supposedly sophisticated leftists who don't know the first rule: Never try to outwit cops. Damn it, my vegetarianism has been misguided all along, for I thought the first rule was: never ...

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Date:	Wed Jun 15 09:32:42 PDT 2011

51 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

On Jun 15, 2011, at 12:15 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > I'm glad that things worked out for you. > > I spent a fair amount of time hanging with cops when I was a state park ranger and, mostly, I agree with Carrol. > > Avoid cops. Understand that they have ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Jun 15 09:24:34 PDT 2011

52 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

CB: The "It's the economy" proposition implies that the American voters hold the President responsible for pretty much the "whole" economy, not just the economic conditions of a lot of people. [WS:] There is something in between the above and no control whatsoever, no? The captains of industry can pull ...

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Author:	Wojtek S
Date:	Wed Jun 15 09:18:59 PDT 2011

53 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

I'm glad that things worked out for you. I spent a fair amount of time hanging with cops when I was a state park ranger and, mostly, I agree with Carrol. Avoid cops. Understand that they have total discretion and power, and that they can pretty much do whatever they ...

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Author:	123hop at comcast.net
Date:	Wed Jun 15 09:15:28 PDT 2011

54 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

Alan: "Are you saying we're a-holes?" [WS:] It depends who is 'we'. wojtek On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Alan Rudy <alan.rudy at gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 4:38 PM, SA <s11131978 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> C.f. Wojtek: >> >>  Kvetching ...

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Date:	Wed Jun 15 09:05:03 PDT 2011

55 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

It is not a myth that the economy is dominated by the Financial leaders of America, especially since the early 20th Century. Presidents - including Bush most recently - are scapegoated for the state of the economy, so that the actual controllers of economic conditions are not held responsible. ^^^^^^^ CB: Bush, Clinton and ...

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Date:	Wed Jun 15 09:01:25 PDT 2011

56 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

> Anyone who tried that would not be smart. It continues to amaze me the number of supposedly sophisticated leftists who don't know the first rule: Never try to outwit cops. This was true even before those vicious laws were passed making it illegal to lie to the police. Carrol ...

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Author:	brad
Date:	Wed Jun 15 08:22:01 PDT 2011

57 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

martin schiller c b wrote: > It is NeverNeverland notion that elections won't play a big role > in any successful shift of the US to socialism or major left reforms. I've been betting on economic collapse to do the job. 'Successful shift' though ? ^^^^^ CB: The economic collapse will only do ...

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Date:	Wed Jun 15 08:00:46 PDT 2011

58 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

CB: Do Presidents really have significant effect on the economy ? Isn't this actually a private enterprise system with private sector decisions determining "the economy" ? [WS:] It is far more complicated than that - it really depends on the circumstances. To make a long story short, presidents do not make the economy ...

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Date:	Wed Jun 15 07:10:48 PDT 2011

59 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

DRR wrote: > NATO didn't attack Libya. The United Nations authorized a limited intervention > to save millions of unarmed Libyan civilians from being slaughtered by thugs -- > thugs armed to the teeth with billions of dollars of weapons purchased from > European suppliers, no less. The US-led NATO coalition dominates the UN ...

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Author:	Julio Huato
Date:	Wed Jun 15 06:27:12 PDT 2011

60 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

On 6/14/2011 11:34 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > >> > But a smart alleged criminal who knows that this is the game can use >> > the good cop and the dynamic to their advantage. No? > > Anyone who tried that would not be smart. It continues to amaze me the number of supposedly ...

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Author:	Carrol Cox
Date:	Wed Jun 15 05:25:33 PDT 2011