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61 [lbo-talk] Tolkien and the new medievalism -- rank: 632

>Yet primary beliefs invade secondary worlds, and it means that despite the >beauty and grandeur of >the pageant, to me the film series The Lord of the >Rings stinks like an orc. Can't wait until the author whacks Dungeons and Dragons as a fun-filled reproduction of primitive accumulation ...

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Author:	Todd Archer
Date:	Tue Dec 23 11:13:31 PST 2003

62 [lbo-talk] Tolkien and the new medievalism -- rank: 632

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:08:31 -0500, Brian Siano <siano at mail.med.upenn.edu> wrote: > I have a question. Why is it that every major cultural event, or fad, or > persona must be examined for political significance.... and almost always > found to indicate a resurgence of conservative, tribal ...

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Author:	Michael Pugliese
Date:	Tue Dec 23 10:38:51 PST 2003

63 [lbo-talk] Tolkien and the new medievalism -- rank: 632

Brian Siano wrote: >I have a question. Why is it that every major cultural event, or >fad, or persona must be examined for political significance.... and >almost always found to indicate a resurgence of conservative, >tribal, or otherwise regressive beliefs? (Except Madonna and _Queer >Eye_. They're _transgressive!_) Queer Eye isn ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Dec 23 09:15:09 PST 2003

64 [lbo-talk] Tolkien and the new medievalism -- rank: 664

... you might find this article we just published > interesting, on Tolkien and the 'new medievalism': > http://www.opendemocracy.net/debates/article ...

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Author:	Brian Siano
Date:	Tue Dec 23 09:08:31 PST 2003

65 [lbo-talk] Tolkien and the new medievalism -- rank: 664

... you might find this article we just published interesting, on Tolkien and the 'new medievalism': http://www.opendemocracy.net/debates/article ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Dec 23 08:35:21 PST 2003

66 [lbo-talk] Re: USA 2003 -- rank: 199

Brian Siano wrote: > Man, reading must be an awful chore for you. No joy, no simple story, no mere entertainment-- everything must be scrutinized for its evil political content. No I love reading. It is not a chore, but I do think binary you set up is incorrect: simple pleasure of ...

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Author:	BklynMagus
Date:	Tue Sep 16 08:40:17 PDT 2003

67 [lbo-talk] USA 2003 -- rank: 315

... wrote: > Quoting Brian Siano <siano at mail.med.upenn.edu>: > > > Tolkien himself was utterly opposed to reading any > kind of analogy ... to then- > > current events into his works. > > Which proves that Tolkien was a significant writer, > not a significant literary > critic. Heiner ...

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Author:	andie nachgeborenen
Date:	Tue Sep 16 07:17:01 PDT 2003

68 [lbo-talk] USA 2003 -- rank: 315

Quoting Brian Siano <siano at mail.med.upenn.edu>: > Tolkien himself was utterly opposed to reading any kind of analogy ... to then- > current events into his works. Which proves that Tolkien was a significant writer, not a significant literary critic. Heiner ...

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Author:	dredmond at efn.org
Date:	Mon Sep 15 23:11:50 PDT 2003

69 [lbo-talk] Re: USA 2003 -- rank: 199

Brian Siano writes: > But I'm sort of fascinated by this effort to read the story, and ferret out some telltale signs or signifiers for unsavory values. It does not take much ferreting out. Tolkein is about as subtle as Kipling. > The Bad Guys are described as "dark?" Hmmmm.... Which happens ...

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Author:	Brian Charles Dauth
Date:	Mon Sep 15 22:59:03 PDT 2003

70 [lbo-talk] USA 2003 -- rank: 199

... rock and roll and the occult. First chapter focuses on Tolkien. -- Michael Pugliese

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Author:	Michael Pugliese
Date:	Mon Sep 15 18:33:59 PDT 2003

71 [lbo-talk] Re: USA 2003 -- rank: 315

... have been mentioned. That whole anglo catholic/catholic group (Lewis, Tolkien, Sayers, Williams) may or may not have

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Author:	Carrol Cox
Date:	Mon Sep 15 17:55:17 PDT 2003

72 [lbo-talk] USA 2003 -- rank: 199

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:25:25 -0700 (PDT), Miles Jackson <cqmv at pdx.edu> wrote: > On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Brad DeLong wrote: > >> >one thing not mentioned in this discussion of THE LORD OF THE RINGS >> >is that the bad guys in Tolkein all seem to be dark or ...

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Author:	Brian Siano
Date:	Mon Sep 15 17:09:46 PDT 2003

73 [lbo-talk] USA 2003 -- rank: 398

... 2003 15:09:53 -0700, <dredmond at efn.org> wrote: > Tolkien's trilogy is full of the most obnoxious sexism, racism ... out the seismic clash > of WW II in allegorical terms, Tolkien redeems himself -- he taps into > the post-WW II wave ... that he ever realized or could know this, > of course). Tolkien himself was utterly opposed to reading any kind of analogy ...

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Author:	Brian Siano
Date:	Mon Sep 15 16:52:38 PDT 2003

74 [lbo-talk] USA 2003 -- rank: 1000

... from red ruin. Yet, percisely because of his religous beliefs, Tolkien was way of Nazism, with its mixture of neo-paganism and racial pseudo-science. So one way to describe Tolkien is to say he was a fascist, but not a ...

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Author:	Jeet Heer
Date:	Mon Sep 15 16:41:34 PDT 2003

75 [lbo-talk] USA 2003 -- rank: 398

... LORD OF THE RINGS is that > the bad guys in Tolkien all seem to be dark or "swarthy," while the good guys > are light or "fair." Tolkien's trilogy is full of the most obnoxious sexism, racism ... out the seismic clash of WW II in allegorical terms, Tolkien redeems himself -- he taps into the post-WW II wave ...

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Author:	dredmond at efn.org
Date:	Mon Sep 15 15:09:53 PDT 2003