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46 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

Marv: " I've heard that he's more much more restrained and gracious than his ferocious online persona would suggest." [WS:] No doubt. Ditto for most other people on this list, I imagine. The internet "flame" or vitriol is what happens when your interlocutor is removed from all personal social relations and becomes merely a text on the screen or a "thing" as Graeber eloquently argued about the nature of slavery. -- Wojtek "Modern conservatism is just a neoliber ...

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Author:	Wojtek S
Date:	Wed May 2 17:07:59 PDT 2012

47 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

We all like to think of ourselves as good people, sensitive and caring, etc. To those who know us, most of us probably are. The problem is that here most of us don't know each other very well, and we get certain ideas about people we don't know and then we react on the basis of these ideas. Maybe an example will show what I mean. When I lived in New York City, I worked at the Monthly Review office. Every Wednesday, we would have a meeting concerning submissions to the magazine and other magazine ...

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Date:	Wed May 2 15:07:19 PDT 2012

48 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

I don't at all, at all, "hate" Carrol. I've heard that he's more much more restrained and gracious than his ferocious online persona would suggest. No surprise there; many flamers are. Some of his commentaries are sober, well-informed and thought-provoking, and I have no doubt, as indicated below, that he is well-intentioned. But he's also ridiculously self-deluding, as many armchair radicals are, and it's his revolutionary pretensions which underlie his Puritanical pursuit of the many ...

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Author:	Marv Gandall
Date:	Wed May 2 15:04:44 PDT 2012

49 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

Actually, Doug's list is pretty tame (except for Carrol). So far the most vicious list I've been on was Marxmail. Left shortly after joining. Pen-l has been the most mild-mannered. Joanna ----- Original Message ----- On May 2, 2012, at 4:48 PM, Michael Smith wrote: > I am often amazed at the intensely personal hatefulness > of many posts on this list (and others). You may have noticed that Cde Cox is routinely insulting. He says "incoherent" and "foolish" the way some p ...

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50 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

On Wed, 2 May 2012 16:53:02 -0400 Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: > You may have noticed that Cde Cox is routinely insulting. > He says "incoherent" and "foolish" the way some people say > "good morning." Mmmm. I haven't actually noticed that, certainly not at the level you describe, though Carrol is certainly very forthright and blunt. But even granting your characterization for the sake of argument, there's a distinction. To describe a l ...

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Date:	Wed May 2 14:19:47 PDT 2012

51 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

On May 2, 2012, at 4:48 PM, Michael Smith wrote: > I am often amazed at the intensely personal hatefulness > of many posts on this list (and others). You may have noticed that Cde Cox is routinely insulting. He says "incoherent" and "foolish" the way some people say "good morning." It gets very tiresome.

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Date:	Wed May 2 13:53:02 PDT 2012

52 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

> > > You're out there in fucking Illinois, where the unemployment rate > > > is 9%, far from Greece or Spain, where it's like 25%. Easy for > > > you to say. > > > > And easier still when you're not even among the 9%, but a > > comfortably retired professor of English literature vicariously > > "enjoying the battle" from behind a keyboard in a small town far > > removed from the loci of the crisis. The limitless self-delusion of ...

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53 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

Carrol: >> "The outcome is devastation and despair, of course. And it's hard to see the >> Germans changing." >> >> Nonsense. What's to despair? Enjoy the battle, winning or losing. Doug: > You're out there in fucking Illinois, where the unemployment rate is 9%, far from Greece or Spain, where it's like 25%. Easy for you to say. And easier still when you're not even among the 9%, but a comfortably retired professor of English literature vicariously "enjo ...

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Author:	Marv Gandall
Date:	Wed May 2 13:21:35 PDT 2012

54 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

WS:] This is how Veroufakis explains it http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2012/05/02/2101/: 1. "Corruption, tax evasion, rule by a political kleptocracy are all, undeniably, characteristics of Greece. Always have been, in fact. They help explain why Greece was the first domino to fall in the Eurozone. They do not, however, explain the domino effect itself. The latter can only be explained in terms of the Eurozone s faulty design. To prove this, consider Ireland and Spain. The state there was not co ...

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Date:	Wed May 2 06:23:01 PDT 2012

55 [lbo-talk] [SPAM_ISU] :Re: Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

This subject line causes the ISU filter to label them spam, & Outlook puts them into a junk folder, which I keep forgetting to check. Carrol

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56 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

Wojtek S Can you be more specific how? Seriously. Maybe I am missing something but I generally detest social media (not just twitter but also facebook) - I find them not just full of trivial soundbites but also difficult to follow. I love the listserv format precisely for the reason that it is not a twitter - that you can write a meaningful text in which you can fully express your point in standard English i.e. one that requires some thought as opposed to knee0jerk verbal reaction and you can do ...

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57 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

John: "I can get quicker, more, and more customized dialogues through other media." [WS:] Can you be more specific how? Seriously. Maybe I am missing something but I generally detest social media (not just twitter but also facebook) - I find them not just full of trivial soundbites but also difficult to follow. I love the listserv format precisely for the reason that it is not a twitter - that you can write a meaningful text in which you can fully express your point in standard Engli ...

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Date:	Tue May 1 09:31:34 PDT 2012

58 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

You know this thread is a perfect example of why electronic communications are a bad idea. Doug says the people of Greece and Spain are in for devastation and despair if the Germans don t give up on the machismo. Carrol seems to misunderstand that to mean that Doug is in despair and challenges him to enjoy the battle . Doug draws the contrast with #firstworldproblems. And we are off to the races. I think we should return to political discussions in pubs, where the real and present danger of a b ...

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59 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

At 11:18 PM 4/30/2012, Miles Jackson wrote: >Doug Henwood wrote: > >>I fucking hated Twitter for quite a while. Then eventually I found the >>instant response/reinforcement thing very compelling. It's very >>addictive, that little high when you get responded to, favorited, or >>retweeted. The thrill lasts about 15 seconds, then you want another. It >>probably destroys your brain, though not in the same way that cocaine does. >> > >Sounds like the c ...

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60 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

At 04:30 PM 4/30/2012, Chuck Grimes wrote: >>Or you could start a thread about something more in line with the charter >>of the list ... you know, be part of the solution rather than part of the >>problem? >> >>/jordan > >I have a theory. At a guess most list members are reading and following >threats at work, where they are just fucking off web surfing. That's what >I used to do when I had a job. yes. that's been my theory for a long time. It's perfect ...

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