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31 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

Ravi: " I am becoming a big boy and trying to learn (from Michael P, Joanna, others) the attitude so well captured in Michael Y s message." [WS:] This is very unfortunate because the "big boy attitude" is thinly disguised macho bravado and i thought you were above it. I think intense machismo is what underlies the "serious debate on the left" that Michael Y describes. I do not mean to be dismissive of people whom he personally knew, but they were the product of t ...

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Author:	Wojtek S
Date:	Fri May 4 04:34:43 PDT 2012

32 [lbo-talk] [SPAM_ISU] : Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

On Thu, 3 May 2012 21:39:57 -0500 "Carrol Cox" <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote: > P.S. All those old radicals now linked to the DP are evidence for my thesis > that history teaches no lessons, because if there is any lesson the history > of the last 70 years teaches is how disastrous relations to the DP are for > leftists. Some learn, some don't. You know the old joke: Q. How many psychoanalysts does it take to change a light bulb? A. Only one. But the bulb must *want* to ...

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Author:	Michael Smith
Date:	Thu May 3 20:21:38 PDT 2012

33 [lbo-talk] [SPAM_ISU] : Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

A meeting in Bloomington last Saturday gives substance to Michael's suggestions. It was sponsored by Move-On (one of their "training" sessions and conducted by IPA. It started with a movie that emphasized Republicans destroying the heritage of regulation left by FDR. But in the discussion that followed (and people love to talk when they are given a chance with a decent audience - 20 & up) emphasized that the attack had been biii-artisan. I think they are all still going to vote DP ...

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Author:	Carrol Cox
Date:	Thu May 3 19:39:57 PDT 2012

34 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

If the Democratic Party has a base, wouldn't it be best for the left, such as it is, to focus its attention on that base? And if this is so, then there are many ways to do this, and especially now that various mass actions, such as OWS, the Wisconsin uprising, and the like, have shown that the base is restless and ready for action. Why hurl insults at one another? People in the cornfields can do what they can there, and people in the big cities can do the same. Some are good at big things, some ...

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Author:	michael yates
Date:	Thu May 3 18:41:33 PDT 2012

35 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

The moral of this broken thread (in which Jordan & ravi were having an interesting conversation) is do not pick subject lines that confuse filters. About a third of the posts ended up in my Junk file, and that my misconstrual (as ravi suggested) Doug's "Despair" post. I thought he was referring to U.S. leftists, hence my reply, which merely echoed Rosa Luxemburg. Sorry my error spoiled it for Jordan & ravi. Carrol

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Author:	Carrol Cox
Date:	Thu May 3 18:07:49 PDT 2012

36 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

On Thu, 3 May 2012 19:15:42 -0400 Marv Gandall <marvgand at gmail.com> wrote: > You mean my good-natured little jibe at Carrol's support > for the Republicans as the "lesser evil"? "Good-natured" is a subjective term, of course, but I'll take your word for it, as to intent anyway. Email notoriously has no tone of voice or body language. Carrol's argument that the Rs are actually the lesser evil is a good example of what I like, really like, about Carrol, and why I ...

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Author:	Michael Smith
Date:	Thu May 3 17:55:45 PDT 2012

37 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

On 2012-05-03, at 11:58 AM, Michael Smith wrote: > Marv's last contribution to the list (again, unless I'm missing > something) was about a month ago. That one, too, took Carrol > to ask for failing to appreciate the Democratic Party enough. > Seems to be a bit of a hobby-horse. You mean my good-natured little jibe at Carrol's support for the Republicans as the "lesser evil"? http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20120402/003444.html An earlier and more ...

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Author:	Marv Gandall
Date:	Thu May 3 16:15:42 PDT 2012

38 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

On May 3, 2012, at 2:42 PM, Alan P. Rudy wrote: > > Alan It was this claim that Marv's extensive experience in working across a wide range of communities - an experience I think we can agree is wider than Carrol's long history of local organizing - indicates that the kind of political (or at least ideological) purity Carrol frequently advances is incommensurable with the work of organizing outside of small circles of people. Furthermore, while I took this to be implied in the "art o ...

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Author:	// ravi
Date:	Thu May 3 13:15:32 PDT 2012

39 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

On Thu, 3 May 2012 14:42:09 -0400 "Alan P. Rudy" <alan.rudy at gmail.com> wrote: > the kind of political (or at least ideological) purity Carrol > frequently advances Bzzzt. The word 'purity' in this context is an infallible sign that one should read no farther. -- -- Michael J. Smith mjs at smithbowen.net http://stopmebeforeivoteagain.org http://fakesprogress.blogspot.com http://cars-suck.org When one does a foolish thing, it is right to do it handsomely.

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Author:	Michael Smith
Date:	Thu May 3 12:12:56 PDT 2012

40 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 at 11:46 AM, // ravi wrote: Ravi: Unless I missed an earlier post on this thread (which is possible), this is the only one I can find, and I would like you to help me identify the substance in the below, which is the entirety of Marv Gandall s post (minus quoted bits): > > Marv: Like others with similar pretensions, but with very little practical political experience outside of small circle organizing in university towns and among the better-educated, he'd be quick ...

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Author:	Alan P. Rudy
Date:	Thu May 3 11:42:09 PDT 2012

41 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

On Thu, 3 May 2012 11:46:01 -0400 // ravi <ravi at platosbeard.org> quoted Marv G: > And easier still when you're not even among the 9%, but a comfortably > retired professor of English literature vicariously "enjoying the > battle" from behind a keyboard in a small town far removed from the > loci of the crisis. The limitless self-delusion of the > well-intentioned... That was Marv's first contribution to this thread, unless I missed something. I too was wondering ...

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Author:	Michael Smith
Date:	Thu May 3 08:58:41 PDT 2012

42 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

Michael, thank you for a wonderful post. Coming from the old world, I have always thought the attitude you advocate below has been one of the defining characteristics of the left . Personally, I take your post as a reminder to myself to dial down the snark. ravi On May 2, 2012, at 6:07 PM, michael yates wrote: > > We all like to think of ourselves as good people, sensitive and caring, etc. To those who know us, most of us probably are. The problem is that here most of us don't know each o ...

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Date:	Thu May 3 08:57:52 PDT 2012

43 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

On May 3, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Alan P. Rudy wrote: > And yet, Michael, you're carefully skipping over every substantive, rather than personal point, Marv makes and Marv's personalized points are, I am quite sure, generalizations about a type as much as they are irritated statements about an individual. THe way you have, here, skirted substance to focus on style is something we also see on the list with some regularity Unless I missed an earlier post on this thread (which is possible), this is ...

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Author:	// ravi
Date:	Thu May 3 08:46:01 PDT 2012

44 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

And yet, Michael, you're carefully skipping over every substantive, rather than personal point, Marv makes and Marv's personalized points are, I am quite sure, generalizations about a type as much as they are irritated statements about an individual. THe way you have, here, skirted substance to focus on style is something we also see on the list with some regularity Is Marv wrong that it is a remarkable (interesting, as you put it) thing - and one generally associated with either youth or a re ...

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Author:	Alan P. Rudy
Date:	Thu May 3 06:27:23 PDT 2012

45 [lbo-talk] Spanish promiscuity or German erectile dysfunction? -- rank: 1000

On Wed, 2 May 2012 18:04:44 -0400 Marv Gandall <marvgand at gmail.com> wrote: > But he's also ridiculously self-deluding, as many armchair radicals > are, and it's his revolutionary pretensions which underlie his > Puritanical pursuit of the many "soft-on-the-DP reformists" he > perceives in his milieu. Ridiculous? Self-deluding? Armchair radical? Pretension? Puritanical? All this in one sentence, and said of a person, not an idea or a position or a line of reasoning. ...

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Author:	Michael Smith
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