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At 04:18 PM 5/4/2012, Marv Gandall wrote: >political people than the armchair wiseacres on this list who not only >talk left, but like to shout it from the rooftops, without having anywhere >near the history of engagement with community and working class struggles >- and the knowledge gleaned from this practical activity - that Huato and >Brown have. you're talking about carrol? describing him as a wiseacre without a history of engagement? that's pretty odd because, reading his fa ...

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On Fri, 4 May 2012 16:27:58 -0400 Wojtek S <wsoko52 at gmail.com> wrote: > Michael S: "The median voter is a mythical beast" > > [WS:] True, I used it only metaphorically. What I meant in empirical > terms was the majority of the US voters who are infatuated with > private business and highly suspicious of anything "public" and > "social." The picture is more complicated and interesting than that. Poll responses are always more or less contr ...

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On May 4, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Wojtek S wrote: > Ravi: " I am becoming a big boy and trying to learn (from Michael P, > Joanna, others) the attitude so well captured in Michael Y s message." > > [WS:] This is very unfortunate because the "big boy attitude" is > thinly disguised macho bravado and i thought you were above it. I > think intense machismo is what underlies the "serious debate on the > left" that Michael Y describes. I do not mean to ...

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On Fri, 4 May 2012 16:18:48 -0400 Marv Gandall <marvgand at gmail.com> wrote: > air of smug superiority encapsulated in Micheal Smith's infelicitous > remark yesterday that DP supporters are "termites". Infelicitous? Oh man, that's harsh. I kinda liked it. I should also observe that it was the *party* being compared to an invertebrate infestation, not the folks who vote for its candidates. Of the latter, some will learn, sooner or later, and others never will. 'Tis ever thu ...

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Michael S: "The median voter is a mythical beast" [WS:] True, I used it only metaphorically. What I meant in empirical terms was the majority of the US voters who are infatuated with private business and highly suspicious of anything "public" and "social." Hofstadter nailed it quite well and I do not think it has changed much. If anything, it got only worse. -- Wojtek "Modern conservatism is just a neoliberal gloss on medieval domination."

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MIchael Y: "What do others think of this scenario? I used to teach workers in Johnstown, PA. Steelworkers mainly, and therefore mostly men. It could be a rough group, profane and macho, to use Wojtek's word. No grades and none of your standard teacher-student inequality. I asked a women with whom I taught if she was interested in teaching a class. She said yes. I was glad since we didn't have many women teachers in this program, and she grew up in a mining town nearby and, I thought, would ...

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Date:	Fri May 4 13:21:39 PDT 2012

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On 2012-05-03, at 9:41 PM, Michael Yates wrote: > If the Democratic Party has a base, wouldn't it be best for the left, such as it is, to focus its attention on that base? MG: My viewpoint, of course. But I'd qualify it by adding only if with patience and respect and a conviction that party supporters are no less capable than we once were of advancing beyond a liberal political consciousness, in the context of a struggle and with the assistance of others. On the other hand, better not to pay ...

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Date:	Fri May 4 13:18:48 PDT 2012

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On Fri, 4 May 2012 15:59:54 -0400 Wojtek S <wsoko52 at gmail.com> wrote: > Michael S: " I think of the Democratic Party as a vast sandbar, > or rather mudbank." > > [WS:] Hmmm. I was under the impression that this role was played by > the "median voter" in the US. I think not. The median voter is a mythical beast; the mudbank is very real. -- -- Michael J. Smith mjs at smithbowen.net http://stopmebeforeivoteagain.org http://fakesprogress.blogspot.com htt ...

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Michael S: " I think of the Democratic Party as a vast sandbar, or rather mudbank." [WS:] Hmmm. I was under the impression that this role was played by the "median voter" in the US. -- Wojtek "Modern conservatism is just a neoliberal gloss on medieval domination."

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On Fri, 4 May 2012 17:36:21 +0000 (UTC) 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > Point of information: you only need to change direction when you're > tacking against the wind. When the wind is behind you, you can go > straight ahead. Indeed. In fact you're only said to *be* tacking when you're going more or less upwind. I love analogies, particularly sailing analogies, and I actually liked Wojtek's. Politics does seem a lot like sailing: By indirection find direction out. It's one of the reasons ...

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Point of information: you only need to change direction when you're tacking against the wind. When the wind is behind you, you can go straight ahead. J. ----- Original Message ----- Michael S: "Which is worse: an open enemy or a false friend?" [WS:] I think it is a false dichotomy, one that leads people off their course. I heard you own a boat, so let me offer a sailing analogy that someone else who owns a sail boat once told me. When you are sailing, you set the point where you want ...

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On Thursday, May 3, 2012 at 4:15 PM, // ravi wrote: > On May 3, 2012, at 2:42 PM, Alan P. Rudy wrote: > > Alan It was this claim that Marv's extensive experience in working across a wide range of communities - an experience I think we can agree is wider than Carrol's long history of local organizing - indicates that the kind of political (or at least ideological) purity Carrol frequently advances is incommensurable with the work of organizing outside of small circles of people. Furtherm ...

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Date:	Fri May 4 08:55:15 PDT 2012

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On Thursday, May 3, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Michael Smith wrote: > On Thu, 3 May 2012 14:42:09 -0400 > "Alan P. Rudy" <alan.rudy at gmail.com (mailto:alan.rudy at gmail.com)> wrote: > > > the kind of political (or at least ideological) purity Carrol > > frequently advances > > > > > Bzzzt. The word 'purity' in this context is an infallible sign that > one should read no farther. > Useful, thanks. A

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Wojtek makes good points in his post about male left discourse (let me apologize here to Joanna for a sharp comment I made about something she posted a few days ago). However, social class enters the picture here as well. There are, after all, women on the left who have some money. Who have others cleaning their homes (almost always women), who send their kids to daycare (always poorly paid women), who go out to eat frequently (where they are served by poorly paid men and women, the poorest of w ...

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Michael S: "Which is worse: an open enemy or a false friend?" [WS:] I think it is a false dichotomy, one that leads people off their course. I heard you own a boat, so let me offer a sailing analogy that someone else who owns a sail boat once told me. When you are sailing, you set the point where you want to go, but you never go there in a straight line. Instead, you change the course with the wind - to the left or to the right sometimes even away from your chosen destination. The ...

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