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On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Doug Henwood wrote: > > On Sep 30, 2009, at 1:40 AM, Shane Mage wrote: > >> People are slavering over the "thirteen." Populist puritan >> prurience on the left > > First time ever I've been called a puritan. I'm an enthusiastic > friend of all manner of queers and perverts... OK, you're *not* a puritan -:) Shane Mage > This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it > always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire, ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Wed Sep 30 08:30:06 PDT 2009

77 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

On Sep 30, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Shane Mage wrote: > Is there any other issue, any other conceivable issue, on which > Leftists can be found to side with Le Pen and against Costa-Gavras? If you're going to make a list of personalities, how do you feel about siding with BHL?

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Sep 30 08:23:01 PDT 2009

78 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

Is there any other issue, any other conceivable issue, on which Leftists can be found to side with Le Pen and against Costa-Gavras? NYTimes article, 30/09 ..."the father and daughter politicians Jean-Marie and Marine Le Pen also criticized the ministers, saying they were supporting a criminal pedophile in the name of the rights of the political-artistic class. Marie-Louise Fort, an Assembly member who has sponsored anti-incest legislation, said in an interview that she was shocked by t ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Wed Sep 30 08:14:26 PDT 2009

79 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

> Tyson was arrested in July 1991 for the rape of 18-year-old Desiree > Washington, Miss Black Rhode Island, in an Indianapolis hotel room... My godfather, the man I'm named after, was one of Tyson's attorneys, though how far down the line he was from more celebrated names I've no idea. When Tyson got out, I wrote a joke about it for Bill Maher: "Mike Tyson was released from prison this week after serving a sentence for rape. Tyson says he's now a Muslim, and is weighing two career op ...

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Author:	Dennis Perrin
Date:	Wed Sep 30 07:11:07 PDT 2009

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--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Wojtek S <wsoko52 at gmail.com> wrote: [WS:] How can anyone answer that question? -- The question can be answered easily, because it happened: The match between Tyson and reigning champion Holyfield did not occur. Tyson was arrested in July 1991 for the rape of 18-year-old Desiree Washington, Miss Black Rhode Island, in an Indianapolis hotel room... Tyson was convicted on the rape charge on February 10, 1992 after the jury deliberated for nearly 10 hours.[42] Under Ind ...

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Author:	Chris Doss
Date:	Wed Sep 30 07:01:14 PDT 2009

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Chris: So, if, say, Mike Tyson were to be found guilty of raping a black woman, nothing would happen to him? [WS:] How can anyone answer that question? You know darn well how the criminal justic in this country works - that a lot, and I mean A LOT, depends of prosecutorial discretion whether and how to prosecute a case. In most circusmtances, cases are pretty much decided before they even go to court either through plea bargaining or through prosecutorial decision to file specific charges. Yo ...

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Author:	Wojtek S
Date:	Wed Sep 30 06:53:34 PDT 2009

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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Lenin's Tomb <leninstombblog at googlemail.com > wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: > > > It's just that when someone says "No no no," you should take your dick > out > > of her ass. > > You and your bourgeois 'manners'. I suppose you'll be objecting to shoving > a chemical light up a POW's arse next. > My thought was that when someone has already said no, i ...

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Author:	Alan Rudy
Date:	Wed Sep 30 06:52:14 PDT 2009

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On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Lenin's Tomb wrote: > You and your bourgeois 'manners'. I suppose you'll be objecting to > shoving > a chemical light up a POW's arse next. You should write a sequel: The Liberal Defense of Rape.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Sep 30 06:51:36 PDT 2009

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On Sep 30, 2009, at 12:43 AM, Shane Mage wrote: >> >> Not rape. *Statutory* Rape. Two totally different things. >>> >> >> Did you read her testimony? Of course not. >> > > Having no prurient interest in the matter, and still less hysteria about > "drugs," I read only the summary. That was enough. Grand jury testimony is > not evidence of anything except what the prosecutor coached the witness to > say, as I've pointed out more th ...

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On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Wojtek S wrote: > "Testimony" and "proven beyond reasonable doubt" are two rather > different things, no? And, as I've said a few times before, no one has really disputed the testimony, right? Aside from you and Shane Mage more than 30 years after the fact? Gotta love BHL on this: Mr P had "perhaps had committed a youthful error." He evidently shares Henry Hyde's definition of youth. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Sep 30 06:49:43 PDT 2009

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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: > It's just that when someone says "No no no," you should take your dick out > of her ass. You and your bourgeois 'manners'. I suppose you'll be objecting to shoving a chemical light up a POW's arse next. -- Richard Seymour Writer and blogger Email: leninstombblog at googlemail.com Website: http://www.leninology.blogspot.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/leninology Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/ ...

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Author:	Lenin's Tomb
Date:	Wed Sep 30 06:46:12 PDT 2009

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Doug: Did you read her testimony? Of course not. [WS:] "Testimony" and "proven beyond reasonable doubt" are two rather different things, no? A lot of "reasonable doubt" can be raised in this case. You mentioned of cases of your people having sex with priests because they welcomed attention but also having guilt about it. You also must have heard of cases of children testifying what they thought the adults wanted them to say, and that being used as evidence of ch ...

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Author:	Wojtek S
Date:	Wed Sep 30 06:36:01 PDT 2009

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So, if, say, Mike Tyson were to be found guilty of raping a black woman, nothing would happen to him? --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Wojtek S <wsoko52 at gmail.com> wrote: > > I am commenting about what appears to be the law > enforcement apparatus > prosecuting someone for a violation of a sexual taboo > against a Caucasian > female.  I am nearly 100% positive that if the female > were not Caucasian, > there would be no case in this case. 

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Author:	Chris Doss
Date:	Wed Sep 30 06:31:21 PDT 2009

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On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Dennis Perrin wrote: > One thing I'll say about this topic -- it served as the centerpiece > to one of the best novels written in English. And one to which the yahoos reacted with even greater hysteria. Shane Mage > This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it > always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire, > kindling in measures and going out in measures." > > Herakleitos of Ephesos

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Wed Sep 30 06:30:41 PDT 2009

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On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:17 AM, Doug Henwood wrote: > > On Sep 30, 2009, at 12:43 AM, Shane Mage wrote: > >> Not rape. *Statutory* Rape. Two totally different things. > > Did you read her testimony? Of course not. Having no prurient interest in the matter, and still less hysteria about "drugs," I read only the summary. That was enough. Grand jury testimony is not evidence of anything except what the prosecutor coached the witness to say, as I've pointed out more ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Wed Sep 30 06:23:33 PDT 2009