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16 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

Enough on the Polanski, already.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Oct 1 11:51:22 PDT 2009

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c b writes: > CB: I wonder what he pled guilty to ? Does anyone read anymore, or do you just get all your info from lbo-talk? http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0928091polanskiplea1.html /jordan

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Author:	Jordan Hayes
Date:	Thu Oct 1 11:46:00 PDT 2009

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> Has anybody asked in what sense did Polanski serve his time ? Jordan: The details of the plea bargain were basically: plead guilty, get a psych eval, and presuming they don't find him to be "mentally deficient" or a danger to society, be on probation for some amount of time and pay some unspecified fine. He pled (which you might have been bored enough to read; the details of which would seem to preculde getting a fair trial later) on (8/8/77), went to Chino for an up-to-90-day eva ...

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Author:	c b
Date:	Thu Oct 1 11:41:04 PDT 2009

19 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

> Has anybody asked in what sense did Polanski serve his time ? The details of the plea bargain were basically: plead guilty, get a psych eval, and presuming they don't find him to be "mentally deficient" or a danger to society, be on probation for some amount of time and pay some unspecified fine. He pled (which you might have been bored enough to read; the details of which would seem to preculde getting a fair trial later) on (8/8/77), went to Chino for an up-to-90-day eval, rele ...

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Author:	Jordan Hayes
Date:	Thu Oct 1 11:07:58 PDT 2009

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At 10:31 AM 10/1/2009, c b wrote: >CB: I'm really late on this thread. Dennis addressed one part of the >Weinstein quote. Has anybody asked in what sense did Polanski serve >his time ? This one made me laugh out loud. You better look for yourself Charles. By now everyone here is ready to throttle Polanski just for taking up so much of our time. http://search.lbo-talk.org/search/swish.cgi?query=polanski&submit=Search!&metaname=swishtitle&sort=unixdate

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Author:	Dennis Claxton
Date:	Thu Oct 1 10:39:04 PDT 2009

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Dennis Claxton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Of all the comments being thrown around about Roman Polanski, this one is bugging me most: "Whatever you think about the so-called crime, Polanski has served his time. " Harvey Weinstein There's nothing so-called about it. Polanski pleaded guilty and the facts are hardly in dispute. Smoking Gun put the guilty plea up today or yesterday. Grand jury transcripts with the victim's testimony have ...

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Author:	c b
Date:	Thu Oct 1 10:31:05 PDT 2009

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At 02:54 AM 10/1/2009, heartfield at blueyonder.co.uk wrote: >I know these numbers are much bandied about, and sometimes controversial, >but my reading is that sexual abuse of children by anyone is still a >pretty rare event (although the other statistic that most abuse that does >take place is from family members is sometimes misunderstood to mean the >opposite). This is from the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics. More info and breakdowns here: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstr ...

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Author:	Dennis Claxton
Date:	Thu Oct 1 10:12:41 PDT 2009

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On 1 oct. 2009, at 20:39, Chris Doss wrote: > Aha. That makes more sense and is probably true. I was just discussing that today and it seems to be very much the case in Japan anyway. Especially for murder cases, the "ultimate" abuse. > --- On Thu, 10/1/09, JC Helary <brandelune at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I think she means sexual abuse by family members (including >> parents) is the most common form of abuse. Jean-Christophe Helary

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Author:	JC Helary
Date:	Thu Oct 1 04:47:42 PDT 2009

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Aha. That makes more sense and is probably true. --- On Thu, 10/1/09, JC Helary <brandelune at gmail.com> wrote: > > I think she means sexual abuse by family members (including > parents) is the most common form of abuse.

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Author:	Chris Doss
Date:	Thu Oct 1 04:39:22 PDT 2009

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On 1 oct. 2009, at 19:05, Chris Doss wrote: > I think sexual abuse by parents and adult family members (or anyone) > is quite rare, and I really don't know where Joanna is getting this > notion. I think she means sexual abuse by family members (including parents) is the most common form of abuse. As for abuse in itself being rare or not, I have no idea. Jean-Christophe Helary

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Author:	JC Helary
Date:	Thu Oct 1 04:26:27 PDT 2009

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I think sexual abuse by parents and adult family members (or anyone) is quite rare, and I really don't know where Joanna is getting this notion. --- On Thu, 10/1/09, heartfield at blueyonder.co.uk <heartfield at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > I know these numbers are much bandied about, and sometimes > controversial, > but my reading is that sexual abuse of children by anyone > is still a > pretty rare event (although the other statistic that most > abuse that does > ...

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Author:	Chris Doss
Date:	Thu Oct 1 03:05:13 PDT 2009

27 [lbo-talk] Brendan O'Neill on Polanski -- rank: 773

My old comrade takes a harsher view of the pro-Polanski campaign than me: 'whatever you think of the usefulness of the arrest warrant against Polanski, and the motivations behind its continued pursuit by American law enforcers, it is not prudish to think that performing oral sex and sodomy on a drunk 13-year-old is unacceptable behaviour.' http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/7464/

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Author:	heartfield at blueyonder.co.uk
Date:	Thu Oct 1 02:57:14 PDT 2009

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I argeed with most of what Joanna said, but I am not so sure about this: "The sexual abuse of children and adolescents by parents, family members, and friends of family is extremely common." I know these numbers are much bandied about, and sometimes controversial, but my reading is that sexual abuse of children by anyone is still a pretty rare event (although the other statistic that most abuse that does take place is from family members is sometimes misunderstood to mean the opposite) ...

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Author:	heartfield at blueyonder.co.uk
Date:	Thu Oct 1 02:54:48 PDT 2009

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> > > Children have an absolute need for love and will trade almost > > anything for it. They will allows themselves to be sexually used, > > beaten, starved, punished, "educated," you-name-it, just so long as they > > are "loved." > > Golly, they sound a lot like Democrats. > > -- > Dude, that is a pathetic thing to say. I'm ashamed for you.

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Author:	Jim Straub
Date:	Thu Oct 1 01:11:21 PDT 2009

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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:02:51 -0700 Joanna <123hop at comcast.net> wrote: > Children have an absolute need for love and will trade almost > anything for it. They will allows themselves to be sexually used, > beaten, starved, punished, "educated," you-name-it, just so long as they > are "loved." Golly, they sound a lot like Democrats. -- Michael Smith mjs at smithbowen.net http://stopmebeforeivoteagain.org

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Author:	Michael Smith
Date:	Wed Sep 30 22:15:14 PDT 2009