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91 [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats -- rank: 149

On Sep 23, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Marv Gandall wrote: > "Face it. The US political system is plutocracy, not democracy. > Always has been." > ======================== > It's both. We've lived in a world of capitalist states for > centuries. All > have been "plutocratic" instruments of class rule Absolutely not so. All of ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Wed Sep 23 18:35:08 PDT 2009

92 [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats -- rank: 149

Shane, I do not think you are getting my point. I am not arguing that the US is not a plutocracy, but that merely calling it plutocracy does not reveal systemic factors that perpetuate it, democratic facade notwithstanding. Plantation owners were wiped out as a class, yet the system they created ...

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Author:	Wojtek S
Date:	Wed Sep 23 17:49:27 PDT 2009

93 [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats -- rank: 149

... to swallow it and eventually to like it. As to Nader. He is a certain kind of materialist; one who sees ...

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Author:	Carrol Cox
Date:	Wed Sep 23 16:46:32 PDT 2009

94 [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats -- rank: 235

You just don't get Nader's clever strategy. He deliberately ignores democracy in his own ... truth of their own nondemocratic society. "Wait," they will say, "Nader's organization is nondemocratic -- but then is not society as ...

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Author:	Chris Doss
Date:	Wed Sep 23 16:24:16 PDT 2009

95 [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats -- rank: 149

On Sep 23, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Wojtek S wrote: > RE: "Face it. The US political system is plutocracy, not democracy. > Always has been." > > [WS:] I think it is an oversimplification that obscures more than it > reveals.... Its political institutions were created by plantation > owners and businessmen whose overarching objective ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Wed Sep 23 14:28:37 PDT 2009

96 [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats -- rank: 149

... political system is plutocracy, not democracy. Always has been. Ralph Nader knows that better than anyone, having consistently experienced being denied ...

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Author:	Max B. Sawicky
Date:	Wed Sep 23 14:26:57 PDT 2009

97 [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats -- rank: 149

RE: "Face it. The US political system is plutocracy, not democracy. Always has been." [WS:] I think it is an oversimplification that obscures more than it reveals. The voice of the rich weighs more than that of the poor in most countries, not just the US. A more peculiar (but certainly ...

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Author:	Wojtek S
Date:	Wed Sep 23 14:05:01 PDT 2009

98 [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats -- rank: 149

... talk Subject: [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats Ralph Nader loves the (nice) plutocrats: http://bit.ly/khXwn ___________________________________ http://mailman ...

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Author:	mart
Date:	Wed Sep 23 09:39:10 PDT 2009

99 [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats -- rank: 149

... political system is plutocracy, not democracy. Always has been. Ralph Nader knows that better than anyone, having consistently experienced being denied ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Wed Sep 23 09:38:03 PDT 2009

100 [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats -- rank: 149

... talk Subject: [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats Ralph Nader loves the (nice) plutocrats: http://bit.ly/khXwn ___________________________________ http://mailman ...

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Author:	Max B. Sawicky
Date:	Wed Sep 23 08:23:57 PDT 2009

101 [lbo-talk] Sarkozy proposes measuring 'happiness' and 'well-being'to replace the 'cult of the market' -- rank: 149

i'd say you have a point, or got it right.  Its like that issue with 'mental illness' that was discussed on this list (with reference i think to a book by kennealy).  When is one person's style, behavior strategy, or communication approach 'unhelpful' either to them, the larger community ...

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Author:	mart
Date:	Wed Sep 23 07:51:59 PDT 2009

102 [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats -- rank: 149

Ralph Nader loves the (nice) plutocrats: http://bit.ly/khXwn

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Sep 23 06:49:10 PDT 2009

103 [lbo-talk] Ralph gives up on democracy, embraces enlightened plutocrats -- rank: 235

... a movement...] > > <http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/21/ralph_nader_on_the_g20_healthcare> > > AMY GOODMAN: Your book, "Only the ... assumed it was satire. I can't tell how straight Nader is playing it in the interview, though.

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Author:	Matthias Wasser
Date:	Wed Sep 23 06:18:27 PDT 2009

104 [lbo-talk] Ralph gives up on democracy, embraces enlightened plutocrats -- rank: 235

... a movement...] <http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/21/ ralph_nader_on_the_g20_healthcare> AMY GOODMAN: Your book, "Only the ... a practical utopia. Where did you get the title? RALPH NADER: The title came from Warren Buffett was watching post- Katrina ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Sep 23 06:09:13 PDT 2009

105 [lbo-talk] Back Again/Obamacare & Afghanistan -- rank: 149

... evils. Didn't make a difference that I voted for Nader in 2000 because I'm in Illinois, but I sure ...

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Author:	andie nachgeborenen
Date:	Sat Sep 12 16:56:34 PDT 2009