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1 [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies -- rank: 1000

Ellen Willis, the writer on feminism, politics, and pop culture, died. She was a cranky, difficult person with an unfortunate Zionist streak, but she was very talented and smart. It's sad to see her go. I interviewed her, along with several other contributors to Implicating Empire, back in March 2003; it's at <http:// www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Radio_1.html#030327>. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Nov 9 11:03:57 PST 2006

2 [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies -- rank: 1000

I was on a panel with Willis at Brooklyn College about the media and the Drug War (along with David Boaz of Cato). She was very friendly and supportive. Good thing the panel wasn't about Israel and the Palestinians. I doubt the good vibes would've lasted past the opening remarks. Dennis

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Author:	Dennis Perrin
Date:	Thu Nov 9 11:28:14 PST 2006

3 [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies -- rank: 1000

What a kvetchy announcement, Doug! Can we locate the url for her magnificent debunking of Tom Frank in Stanley's new journal, Situations(?). Is that article what's eating you, Doug? The funeral will be at Riverside Chapel, 76 and Amsterdam, 11:45 am Sunday Nov. 12. Jesse Lemisch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Henwood" <dhenwood at panix.com> To: "lbo-talk" <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: [lbo-talk] Ellen Will ...

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Author:	Jesse Lemisch
Date:	Thu Nov 9 11:34:39 PST 2006

4 [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies -- rank: 1000

http://blog.pulpculture.org/2006/11/09/ellen-willis-presente/ I was a big fan, as was a reader, who maintains the Wiki pages about Willis. The link above includes a lot of links and material that's been discussed in the past. Trying to get mainstream feminists interested in her work, particularly when she cremates the notion that you can buy / dress/ personally behave your way to revolution is like banging your head against a concrete wall. "You know how it is, come for the animal porn, sta ...

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Author:	info at pulpculture.org
Date:	Thu Nov 9 11:51:28 PST 2006

5 [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies -- rank: 1000

On Nov 9, 2006, at 2:34 PM, Jesse Lemisch wrote: > What a kvetchy announcement, Doug! Can we locate the url for her > magnificent > debunking of Tom Frank in Stanley's new journal, Situations(?). Is > that > article what's eating you, Doug? Kvetchy? I thought it was honest. I don't like obits that overlook the unpleasant bits. But when she was good, she was really good. And that piece on Tom Frank was Willis at her best, I thought. (The URL is <http://ojs.gc.cuny.edu/index.p ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Nov 9 11:57:13 PST 2006

6 [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies -- rank: 1000

On Thursday 09 November 2006 14:34, Jesse Lemisch wrote: > What a kvetchy announcement, Doug! Can we locate the url for her magnificent > debunking of Tom Frank in Stanley's new journal, Situations(?). http://ojs.gc.cuny.edu/index.php/situations/article/view/30/26 -- Michael J. Smith mjs at smithbowen.net http://stopmebeforeivoteagain.org

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Author:	Michael J. Smith
Date:	Thu Nov 9 12:01:34 PST 2006

7 [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies -- rank: 1000

I have no doubt that this is true. But what I sense here, with the body only a few hours cold, is vast disrespect, fairly customary on this list, for feminism and for this major feminist figure. Shameful beyond belief. Jesse Lemisch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Perrin" <dperrin at comcast.net> To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies > I was on a panel with Willis at Brooklyn College ...

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Author:	Jesse Lemisch
Date:	Thu Nov 9 12:09:30 PST 2006

8 [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies -- rank: 1000

> >But what I sense here, with the body only a few hours cold, is vast >disrespect, fairly customary on this list, for >feminism and for this major feminist figure. Shameful beyond belief. > >Jesse Lemisch Where do you park that high horse when you're not using it? Do you have to pay for garage space?

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Author:	Dennis Claxton
Date:	Thu Nov 9 12:13:22 PST 2006

9 [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies -- rank: 1000

At 03:09 PM 11/9/2006, Jesse Lemisch wrote: >I have no doubt that this is true. But what I sense here, with the body only >a few hours cold, is vast disrespect, fairly customary on this list, for >feminism and for this major feminist figure. Shameful beyond belief. > >Jesse Lemisch Naw. There's a fair amount of assholishness about feminism on this list (nothing compared to the wider society, of course), but not generally from Dennis, and definitely not from Doug. They'd talk like ...

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Author:	bitch
Date:	Thu Nov 9 12:16:07 PST 2006

10 [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies -- rank: 1000

On Nov 9, 2006, at 3:09 PM, Jesse Lemisch wrote: > I have no doubt that this is true. But what I sense here, with the > body only > a few hours cold, is vast disrespect, fairly customary on this > list, for > feminism and for this major feminist figure. Shameful beyond belief. Oh please Jesse. If other listmembers and I were really disrespectful of feminism, we'd have paid Willis no mind, in life or in death. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Thu Nov 9 12:18:03 PST 2006

11 [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies -- rank: 1000

>From: "Jesse Lemisch" <utopia1 at attglobal.net> > >... what I sense here, with the body only >a few hours cold, is vast disrespect, fairly customary on this list, for >feminism and for this major feminist figure. Shameful beyond belief. Actually there was a moment of silence here, but you talked right over it. BTW, who appointed you LBO chief protocol officer? Carl _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends an ...

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Author:	Carl Remick
Date:	Thu Nov 9 12:18:10 PST 2006

12 [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies -- rank: 1000

>I have no doubt that this is true. But what I sense here, with the body >only > a few hours cold, is vast disrespect, fairly customary on this list, for > feminism and for this major feminist figure. Shameful beyond belief. > > Jesse Lemisch Oh please. I didn't know Willis personally, and merely related an honest and hardly hostile anecdote about her. And how my comment could be construed as disrespectful towards feminism is mystifying. Clearly, you are saddened. I'm sorry for ...

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Author:	Dennis Perrin
Date:	Thu Nov 9 12:23:12 PST 2006

13 [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies -- rank: 1000

it's my job anyway, fuckers, so back off. and no one appointed me, obviously. because bitches get appointed by NO ONE, we take our rightful place. sheesh. At 03:18 PM 11/9/2006, Carl Remick wrote: >>From: "Jesse Lemisch" <utopia1 at attglobal.net> >> >>... what I sense here, with the body only >>a few hours cold, is vast disrespect, fairly customary on this list, for >>feminism and for this major feminist figure. Shameful beyond belief. > >Actu ...

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Author:	bitch
Date:	Thu Nov 9 12:33:48 PST 2006

14 [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies -- rank: 1000

such fury! Jesse Lemisch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Claxton" <ddclaxton at earthlink.net> To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:13 PM Subject: [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies > > > > >But what I sense here, with the body only a few hours cold, is vast > >disrespect, fairly customary on this list, for > >feminism and for this major feminist figure. Shameful beyond belief. > > > >Jesse Lemisch &g ...

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Author:	Jesse Lemisch
Date:	Thu Nov 9 12:41:34 PST 2006

15 [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies -- rank: 1000

More male rage. Jesse Lemisch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Remick" <carlremick at hotmail.com> To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies > >From: "Jesse Lemisch" <utopia1 at attglobal.net> > > > >... what I sense here, with the body only > >a few hours cold, is vast disrespect, fairly customary on this list, for > >feminism and for this major fe ...

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Author:	Jesse Lemisch
Date:	Thu Nov 9 12:42:25 PST 2006