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166 [lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1736, Issue 3 -- rank: 858

Marx was very careful about framing demands and proposals (cookbooks). The murder of Troy Davis is an abomination, but what percentage of people understand that. First, comes the hard work of learning to communicate with a broader group of people, who are not ready to move that far -- to sympathize with ...

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Author:	michael perelman
Date:	Mon Oct 31 11:56:34 PDT 2011

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On 10/31/2011 2:33 PM, Eric Beck wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Doug Henwood<dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: >> If we can't mobilize a significant minority of the! >> middle 75% of this society, then this movement will evaporate. > This confuses me. Are you ...

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Author:	SA
Date:	Mon Oct 31 11:55:25 PDT 2011

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On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: > If we can't mobilize a significant minority of the! >  middle 75% of this society, then this movement will evaporate. This confuses me. Are you saying that those 75% have no connection to prisoners and ...

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Author:	Eric Beck
Date:	Mon Oct 31 11:33:38 PDT 2011

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On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: > > On Oct 31, 2011, at 1:20 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > >> Although I understand Doug's point, I also believe that solidarity between people in and out of jail is absolutely crucial to ...

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Author:	Eric Beck
Date:	Mon Oct 31 11:33:19 PDT 2011

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Doug wrote on his blog: "But she [Angela Davis] reportedly told the OWS gathering at Zuccotti tonight to: 1) identify with Troy Davis, and 2) study the Attica prisoners for pointers on how to become a dangerous class. I have two problems with this: 1) Troy Davis is dead. His execution ...

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Author:	Julio Huato
Date:	Mon Oct 31 11:17:52 PDT 2011

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Is there a transcript or text of what Angela Davis said accessible anywhere? And yes, I did try Google. There seem to be YouTube videos, but I'm not able to watch them at the moment. -- -- Michael J. Smith mjs at smithbowen.net http://stopmebeforeivoteagain.org http://www.cars-suck.org ...

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Author:	Michael Smith
Date:	Mon Oct 31 10:51:49 PDT 2011

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On Oct 31, 2011, at 1:20 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > Although I understand Doug's point, I also believe that solidarity between people in and out of jail is absolutely crucial to the revolutionary core of this movement. What makes you think I disagree? My point is that ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Oct 31 10:31:38 PDT 2011

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----- Original Message ----- From: "aren aizura" <aren.aizura at gmail.com> "Why an emphasis on people with no social power?" Uh yeah, because it's only the people with social power who should be out in the streets? Good luck with that. I love to see some white middle-class men ...

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Author:	123hop at comcast.net
Date:	Mon Oct 31 10:20:16 PDT 2011

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>> There are many things I admire about Angela Davis, and I have warm >> memories of being on a panel with her at Rethinking Marxism 2000. She was >> wise and very gracious. But she reportedly told the OWS gathering at >> Zuccotti tonight to: 1) identify with Troy Davis, and 2) study ...

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Author:	Eric Beck
Date:	Mon Oct 31 07:40:05 PDT 2011

175 [lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1736, Issue 3 -- rank: 858

On Oct 30, 2011, at 10:02 PM, aren aizura wrote: > "Why an emphasis on people with no social power?" > > Uh yeah, because it's only the people with social power who should be out in the streets? Good luck with that. I love to see some white middle-class men ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Oct 31 05:44:43 PDT 2011

176 [lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1736, Issue 3 -- rank: 858

I've been lurking for years on lbo and Doug, I really respect your capacity to explain economics. I get a lot from this list, and from LBO radio, the newsletter, etc. But this post from your blog just makes me fume. You haven't read that much abolitionist work, right ...

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Author:	aren aizura
Date:	Sun Oct 30 19:02:04 PDT 2011

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On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Mike Beggs wrote: > It was you baby boomers who gave us this preoccupation with > generations in the first place! 'Never trust anyone over thirty.' > What's wrong with a bit of advice based on experience? The worst that > will happen is that it ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Nov 1 16:57:48 PDT 2011

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On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Jordan Hayes <jmhayes at j-o-r-d-a-n.com> wrote: > > There's more to it than that, however. In some sense, prison is the end > result; it's the symptom, not the disease.  That so many people wind up in ...

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Author:	Mike Beggs
Date:	Tue Nov 1 16:15:59 PDT 2011

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On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:56 AM, michael perelman <michael.perelman3 at gmail.com> wrote: > I apologize to Michael Yates, who is much younger than me for going > against his warning that there is something wrong for old guys like me > for giving advise to young people who are ...

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Author:	Mike Beggs
Date:	Tue Nov 1 16:14:16 PDT 2011

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Dennis, replying to Doug: >> Also, as Christian asked earlier today: "What does 'prison > abolition' actually mean? > > Well, it mostly means ending the insane, wasteful and ghastly > War on Drugs. Decriminalize possession, treat addiction as the > medical problem it indeed is. There's more to it than that, however. In some sense ...

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Author:	Jordan Hayes
Date:	Tue Nov 1 02:07:17 PDT 2011