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106 [lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1187, Issue 5 -- rank: 858

On Apr 9, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Richard Seymour wrote: >> It's not me who has "smeared" Ali, but rather the defense of Ali, >> to which everyone seems to have risen, ends up, inevitably, >> smearing me. That says something. > > Self-pitying, self-aggrandising bullshit. You've consistently > failed to > deal ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Apr 9 13:13:25 PDT 2010

107 [lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1187, Issue 5 -- rank: 858

On Apr 9, 2010, at 3:56 PM, Christopher Cutrone wrote: > But the fact remains: did the U.S. and British carry out the mosque > and marketplace bombings, or did Iraqi Islamist sectarians, > including al-Qaeda in Iraq, which Ali denied existed? He did not deny this. He said it didn ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Apr 9 13:10:45 PDT 2010

108 [lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1187, Issue 5 -- rank: 858

I'm discontented with Ali's account of the "resistance to the U.S. occupation in Iraq," and I think he engaged in innuendo and falsified events. That's my opinion. But the fact remains: did the U.S. and British carry out the mosque and marketplace bombings, or did Iraqi ...

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Author:	Christopher Cutrone
Date:	Fri Apr 9 12:56:25 PDT 2010

109 ... talk] What is the working class? was Re: lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1056, Issue 2 -- rank: 858

Brad says: The working class as I define it > is not merely the 'working class' of popular discourse but the sum of all > who don't own the means of production, or better yet, everyone who has > surplus extracted from them because of specific property relationships. If one is talking about ...

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Author:	Peter Ward
Date:	Sat Nov 28 14:50:37 PST 2009

110 ... talk] What is the working class? was Re: lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1056, Issue 2 -- rank: 858

On Nov 28, 2009, at 4:45 PM, brad bauerly wrote: > ...The working class as I define it is not merely the 'working > class' of popular discourse but the sum of all who don't own the > means of production... "ownership" is determined by class, not vice-versa. Capitalists as such ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Sat Nov 28 14:42:54 PST 2009

111 [lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1056, Issue 2 -- rank: 858

At 10:08 AM 11/27/2009, Carrol Cox wrote: >Yes. This is correct. And can be affirmed and developed without an >implicit conception of "working class" as identity. That conception of >class was useful for almost two centuries in fueling the class struggle >(i.e., the struggle for abhstract bourgeois ...

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Author:	shag carpet bomb
Date:	Fri Nov 27 12:47:20 PST 2009

112 [lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1056, Issue 2 -- rank: 858

shag writes: "so, where you see me as struggling for gender, race, queers first, I definitely do not. They are bound up together and you have to attack them all if you are going to have an effective struggle against capitalism." I'm beginning to see one possible reason I have ...

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Author:	Carrol Cox
Date:	Thu Nov 26 09:27:03 PST 2009

113 [lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1056, Issue 2 -- rank: 858

> > > *drumming fingers on desk* > > I'm still waiting.... > > > shag > > > I'm still waiting for your promised post on how you don't think we must first deal with race and gender issues before we can deal with class. I been waiting longer so you first... Brad

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Author:	brad bauerly
Date:	Wed Nov 25 20:21:49 PST 2009

114 [lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1052, Issue 2 -- rank: 858

On Nov 21, 2009, at 3:24 PM, brad bauerly wrote: >> Now it is quite possible that the organizers will fail to ignite >> such a >> movement, but the great majority of such efforts over the last two >> centuries have failed, but a few have succeeded ONLY because so many >> have been ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Sat Nov 21 12:50:55 PST 2009

115 [lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1052, Issue 2 -- rank: 858

> > > Now it is quite possible that the organizers will fail to ignite such a > movement, but the great majority of such efforts over the last two > centuries have failed, but a few have succeeded ONLY because so many > have been attempted. Surely, the most important political act of the > last ...

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Author:	brad bauerly
Date:	Sat Nov 21 12:24:38 PST 2009

116 [lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1046, Issue 1 -- rank: 858

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 3:41 PM, brad bauerly <bbauerly at gmail.com> wrote: > > I think the idea that our class location (place in the production and > distribution process if you like) is tending to less and less place bounds > on our consumption choices, real or otherwise. And in ...

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Author:	Alan Rudy
Date:	Mon Nov 16 07:03:05 PST 2009

117 [lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1046, Issue 1 -- rank: 858

Michael Pollack wrote: >So what's the objection? That our class position, determined by our place >in the production and distribution process, places real bounds on our >consumption choices? No argument from me there -- or from anyone else, I >don't think. I think the idea that our class location (place ...

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Author:	brad bauerly
Date:	Sun Nov 15 12:41:08 PST 2009

118 [lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 817, Issue 2 -- rank: 858

Hi. I agree that austerity may well be on the agenda for future fiscal years; my intent was to assert that the present budget being debated does not have substantial elements of austerity. I am perfectly willing to concede that the next time, we'll get a structural adjustment program. With ...

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Author:	Politicus E.
Date:	Fri Mar 27 06:35:40 PDT 2009

119 [lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 813, Issue 3 -- rank: 858

Hi. I hardly think that your claim is obvious. Consider, for example, the history of African-American resistance to colonialism in Africa as a counterexample; and consider, to take another illustration, the general anti-war attitude of African-Americans. African-Americans were at the fore of resistance to Italian rule in ...

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Author:	Politicus E.
Date:	Mon Mar 23 06:34:07 PDT 2009

120 [lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 813, Issue 3 -- rank: 858

Hi Carrol: I generally agree with your points. In the US, there is no "Left" in the sense that a mass basis is absent from what is typically called the "Left." As you wrote, the fact that she did attend such a rally indicates to me that she is open to ...

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Author:	Politicus E.
Date:	Mon Mar 23 06:25:04 PDT 2009