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1 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 1000

... to change capitalism, not keep reinterpreting it. Charlie the Moor >>> andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> 02/19/2008 9:27 PM ... work week? > > Oh no...that would be utopian. > > Mike B) > > >>> andie nachgeborenen > <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> 02/18/2008 > 10:09 PM ...

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Author:	Charles Brown
Date:	Wed Feb 20 05:45:47 PST 2008

2 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 854

... work week? > > Oh no...that would be utopian. > > Mike B) > > >>> andie nachgeborenen > <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> 02/18/2008 > 10:09 PM ...

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Author:	andie nachgeborenen
Date:	Tue Feb 19 18:27:59 PST 2008

3 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 854

... work week? Oh no...that would be utopian. Mike B) >>> andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> 02/18/2008 10:09 PM ...

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Author:	Mike Ballard
Date:	Tue Feb 19 15:01:40 PST 2008

4 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 890

-----Original Message----- From: andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> I give up. No one wants ... Ian *************** How about shorter work time? But that would be 'unproductive labor'...unproductive of surplus value as Marx pointed out in the ...

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Author:	Mike Ballard
Date:	Tue Feb 19 14:51:25 PST 2008

5 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 854

Lets talk about how to move out capitalism. Charles >>> andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> 02/18/2008 10:09 PM ...

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Author:	Charles Brown
Date:	Tue Feb 19 06:49:04 PST 2008

6 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 749

At 7:09 PM -0800 18/2/08, andie nachgeborenen wrote: >I give up. No one wants to talk ...

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Author:	Bill Bartlett
Date:	Mon Feb 18 20:57:11 PST 2008

7 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 854

-----Original Message----- From: andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> I give up. No one wants ...

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Author:	Eubulides
Date:	Mon Feb 18 19:57:27 PST 2008

8 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 749

On Mon, February 18, 2008 7:09 pm, andie nachgeborenen wrote: > I give up. No one wants to talk ...

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Author:	dredmond at efn.org
Date:	Mon Feb 18 19:28:37 PST 2008

9 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 880

I think Charles is using Soviet categories. --- andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote: > > Can we talk about capitalism ...

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Author:	Chris Doss
Date:	Sat Feb 16 02:02:17 PST 2008

10 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 802

andie nachgeborenen wrote: > > CAN WE NOT DISCUSS VALUE IN A FUTURE ...

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Author:	Carrol Cox
Date:	Fri Feb 15 17:01:51 PST 2008

11 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 749

andie nachgeborenen wrote: > > PLEASE Let us stick to the POINT, NOT ...

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Author:	Carrol Cox
Date:	Fri Feb 15 01:51:28 PST 2008

12 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 880

PLEASE Let us stick to the POINT, NOT the form of compensation in a hypothetical furure society, but whether the dostinction makes sense RIGHT NOW HERE IN CAPOITALISM, PLEASE?! Yes. I am sure. Compensation according to labor a nonmarket system CANNOT be computed according to value. Where there is no labor ...

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Author:	andie nachgeborenen
Date:	Thu Feb 14 23:10:47 PST 2008

13 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 854

At 1:31 PM -0800 14/2/08, andie nachgeborenen wrote: >Anyway, can we PLEASE stick to the question: does the >distinction between productive and unproductive labor >have meaning IN CAPITALISM, especially advanced >post-industrial finance capitalism ...

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Author:	Bill Bartlett
Date:	Thu Feb 14 14:36:47 PST 2008

14 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 843

>>> andie nachgeborenen The failure to understand the point that value has no meaning outside a generalized commodity economy based on market exchange led the Soviets to some disastrous early economic experiments based on attempting to plan on the basis of value. ^^^ CB: Are you sure about this ? What about the ...

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Author:	Charles Brown
Date:	Thu Feb 14 13:48:38 PST 2008

15 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 760

... 11:08 AM, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote: > > > andie nachgeborenen wrote: > > > > One political reason I don't like the ...

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Author:	Charles Brown
Date:	Wed Feb 13 12:49:30 PST 2008