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... Eubulides >>> On Feb 13, 2008 11:08 AM, Carrol Cox > > andie nachgeborenen wrote: > > > > One political reason I don't like the ...

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... 11:08 AM, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote: > > > > > > andie nachgeborenen wrote: > > > > > > One political reason I don't like the ...

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... 11:08 AM, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote: > > > andie nachgeborenen wrote: > > > > One political reason I don't like the ...

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andie nachgeborenen wrote: > > One political reason I don't like the ...

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Author:	Carrol Cox
Date:	Wed Feb 13 11:08:43 PST 2008

20 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 749

At 10:15 AM +0200 13/2/08, Tahir Wood wrote: >> If you use any form of industrially >>produced transportation, you contribute towards someone's profit. So >>while it is true that the trip to Granma's is not productive of real >>values, it does usually consume real value, thus it ...

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Date:	Wed Feb 13 04:37:16 PST 2008

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At 11:36 AM -0800 12/2/08, andie nachgeborenen wrote: > The reason a trip to grandma's house ...

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We're just talking about capitalism here. The discussion is not scheduled yet. March or April, it will be. --- Michael McIntyre <mcintyremichael at mac.com> wrote: > So isn't the question "productive of what"? You're > right about > surplus value (under capitalism - some of these > activities would not > have been productive ...

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Date:	Tue Feb 12 13:45:35 PST 2008

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--- andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote: > And maybe some of the ...

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Date:	Tue Feb 12 13:44:14 PST 2008

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>>> andie nachgeborenen I think that's hogwash, that capital doesn't care where its profits come from, that the logic of surplus extraction is exactly the same in the case of a a waitress, file clerk, junior associate at a big law firm as it is in the case of ...

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So isn't the question "productive of what"? You're right about surplus value (under capitalism - some of these activities would not have been productive of surplus value under other modes of production, and vice versa). But if the counterfactual is a non- surplus-value producing economy (take Schweickart's, if ...

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Author:	Michael McIntyre
Date:	Tue Feb 12 13:08:07 PST 2008

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... earthlink.net> wrote: > At 11:36 AM 2/12/2008, andie wrote: > > >The reason a trip to grandma's house is ...

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Author:	Sean Andrews
Date:	Tue Feb 12 12:53:51 PST 2008

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Yeah, I left out all the qualifications, like if it's a car trip, the sale of the case and the (paid) mechanical upkeep of the car), or if it's a plan, similar things and the wages of the pilot. Put in too much detail, forest, trees. I was talking ...

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Date:	Tue Feb 12 12:53:28 PST 2008

28 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 749

... earthlink.net> wrote: > At 11:36 AM 2/12/2008, andie wrote: > > >The reason a trip to grandma's house is ...

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Author:	Wojtek Sokolowski
Date:	Tue Feb 12 12:18:10 PST 2008

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At 11:36 AM 2/12/2008, andie wrote: >The reason a trip to grandma's house is ...

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Author:	Dennis Claxton
Date:	Tue Feb 12 11:44:04 PST 2008

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This was my point. The comrade was maintaining that only production of physical objects for sale was productive (of SV) and that all paper pushing (in particular), FIRE, accountancy, legal services, was unproductive rent-taking, just shifting around SV created by others. This part of a left over lament about de ...

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Date:	Tue Feb 12 11:36:04 PST 2008