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1 [lbo-talk] RIP Chalmers Johnson -- rank: 1000

Johnson's books were impressive. But he did make a fundamental ...

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Author:	Carrol Cox
Date:	Tue Nov 23 08:14:41 PST 2010

2 [lbo-talk] RIP Chalmers Johnson -- rank: 956

http://www.thenation.com/blog/156598/chalmers-johnson-and-patriotic-struggle-against-empire Chalmers Johnson and the Patriotic Struggle Against Empire Johnson, who has died at age 79, was no liberal idealist ... president and co-founder of the Japan Policy Research Institute... ...Johnson, in his last years, became a hero to old- ...

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Author:	Myles Sussman
Date:	Mon Nov 22 22:12:15 PST 2010

3 [lbo-talk] RIP Chalmers Johnson -- rank: 916

... lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] RIP Chalmers Johnson On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:01 PM

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Author:	Carrol Cox
Date:	Tue Nov 23 21:16:36 PST 2010

4 [lbo-talk] RIP Chalmers Johnson -- rank: 872

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote: > And that brings us, or at leas me, back to where we started: Capitalism, a > historical aberration, opened up  immense possibilities but only through the > destruction of capitalism can those  speculative possibilities become a > material ...

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Author:	Eubulides
Date:	Tue Nov 23 16:12:23 PST 2010

5 [lbo-talk] RIP Chalmers Johnson -- rank: 872

Carrol Cox wrote: > But one of the barriers to _achieving_ that hinted possibility is the > bourgeois doctrine of Progress. (Gould points out in his last book that > Darwin clearly did not believe that "evolution" was "progressive," but being > a Victorian gentleman "progressive scraps seep into his writing ever so > often. We ...

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Author:	Ted Winslow
Date:	Tue Nov 23 18:15:07 PST 2010

6 [lbo-talk] RIP Chalmers Johnson -- rank: 872

On 11/23/2010 04:12 PM, Eubulides wrote: > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Carrol Cox<cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote: > > >> And that brings us, or at leas me, back to where we started: Capitalism, a >> historical aberration, opened up immense possibilities but only through the >> destruction ...

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Author:	Miles Jackson
Date:	Tue Nov 23 20:01:14 PST 2010

7 [lbo-talk] RIP Chalmers Johnson -- rank: 872

On 2010-11-24, at 2:16 PM, Eubulides wrote: > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Wojtek S <wsoko52 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> The norm for humankind was the >> opposite - social solidarity and reciprocity - because it was essential for >> survival. > > ================= > > What was so great about > the forms of ...

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Author:	Marv Gandall
Date:	Wed Nov 24 12:05:26 PST 2010

8 [lbo-talk] RIP Chalmers Johnson -- rank: 872

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Wojtek S <wsoko52 at gmail.com> wrote: > [WS:] It depends how you define capitalism.  If it is a value system based > on the "homo economicus" or "economic rationality" model that treats selfish > individualism and hoarding of profits at the expense of entire ...

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Author:	Eubulides
Date:	Wed Nov 24 11:16:28 PST 2010

9 [lbo-talk] RIP Chalmers Johnson -- rank: 872

Re: "Remind us again; what's the non-aberrate baseline historical epoch which facilitates your judgement that capitalism is an aberration?" [WS:] It depends how you define capitalism. If it is a value system based on the "homo economicus" or "economic rationality" model that treats selfish individualism and hoarding of profits ...

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Author:	Wojtek S
Date:	Wed Nov 24 09:37:55 PST 2010

10 [lbo-talk] RIP Chalmers Johnson -- rank: 872

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Miles Jackson <cqmv at pdx.edu> wrote: >> That's irrelevant. Capitalism is no more an aberration than so-called >> Feudalism or Mercantilism or Zen Buddhism. > > Those are historical accidents too; there was nothing necessary or natural > about the emergence of Zen Buddhism ...

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Author:	Eubulides
Date:	Wed Nov 24 09:13:10 PST 2010

11 [lbo-talk] RIP Chalmers Johnson -- rank: 872

On 11/23/2010 9:27 PM, Eubulides wrote: > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Carrol Cox<cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote: > >> There was no tendency whatever for anything remotely like capitalist >> relations to emerge in developed and productive empires. >> Carrol > ====================== > > That's irrelevant. Capitalism is no more ...

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Author:	Miles Jackson
Date:	Wed Nov 24 08:24:58 PST 2010

12 [lbo-talk] RIP Chalmers Johnson -- rank: 872

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote: > Some 2500 years of advanced "civilization over Eurasia and North Africa. Why > did capitalism not appear in such vigorous and advanced cultures as China. > As the Arab empires. And so forth. Instead it emerged  in ...

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Author:	Eubulides
Date:	Tue Nov 23 21:27:52 PST 2010

13 [lbo-talk] RIP Chalmers Johnson -- rank: 872

On 2010-11-23, at 11:14 AM, Carrol Cox wrote: > The odds against humanity surviving capitalism are great, and wishful > thinking, is a major weakness among those opposed to it. Effective > opposition must be grounded in profound pessimism of the intellect. By this yardstick, I'd say the Western left ...

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Author:	Marv Gandall
Date:	Tue Nov 23 09:11:14 PST 2010

14 [lbo-talk] RIP Chalmers Johnson -- rank: 872

Carrol Cox wrote: > The odds against humanity surviving capitalism are great, and wishful > thinking, is a major weakness among those opposed to it. Effective > opposition must be grounded in profound dpessimism of the intellect. These claims may be true, but the grounds you offer in defence of it, if I'm ...

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Author:	Ted Winslow
Date:	Tue Nov 23 10:34:31 PST 2010

15 [lbo-talk] RIP Chalmers Johnson -- rank: 872

Ted Winslow: Carrol Cox wrote: > The odds against humanity surviving capitalism are great, and wishful > thinking, is a major weakness among those opposed to it. Effective > opposition must be grounded in profound pessimism of the intellect. These claims may be true, but the grounds you offer in defence of it, if ...

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Author:	Carrol Cox
Date:	Tue Nov 23 15:36:45 PST 2010