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91 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

You fellows would be more convincing if you would would explain exactly what these differences are. Simply alleging "there is a difference" barely improves on a guessing game. Doug, I'm not sure that exempting alleged nation-states from an anti-imperialist line would even put us in opposition to most ...

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Author:	Joseph Catron
Date:	Fri Apr 9 14:11:28 PDT 2010

92 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

And, as I keep saying, in addition to what Doug mentions there is a difference between 1865 and society reliant on slave-labor and 1945. On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: > > On Apr 9, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Joseph Catron ...

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Author:	Bhaskar Sunkara
Date:	Fri Apr 9 13:57:51 PDT 2010

93 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

Doug: > Well, as I keep saying, there's a difference between reintegrating a > portion of one's country that lost a civil war and occupying a foreign > country. That aside, as occupations go, U.S. control of Japan and Germany > wasn't very brutal. Agreed, generally speaking. But when you've ...

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Author:	Dennis Perrin
Date:	Fri Apr 9 13:44:02 PDT 2010

94 [lbo-talk] Capybara: Behold! The New New Left Shall Rise From The Ashes of The Old New! -- rank: 632

Where Platypus failed, like a frog tossed into a wilderness of desert ... But first, let's give credit where it's due.  Platypus broke new ground by denying everything, (including its denial!).  This ... a point of irretrievable stodginess -- into paroxysms of defense.  Only Platypus had the courage to ferret out the secret Taliban-love ... to Taliban/al Q/Hezbollah loving interpretation and so...). But Platypus has reached its limit.  It's time to post the post beyond what's post and go beyond Platypus into a denial of the denial. It's time, in ...

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Author:	Dwayne Monroe
Date:	Fri Apr 9 13:40:52 PDT 2010

95 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On Apr 9, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > I find those opposing the occupations (because of all the predictable > anti-imperialist boilerplate) while supporting Reconstruction to be > rather > silly. There may be some intelligent left distinction between the > three > scenarios, but I have yet to see it and ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Apr 9 13:38:30 PDT 2010

96 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

Julio Huato wrote: > Christopher Cutrone wrote: > >> More than 50 years of "Third World" so-called "revolutionary" >> movements have failed to produce any emancipatory results >> whatsoever. > > Wow.  "Revolutionary" (in quotes) and no "emancipatory results whatsoever." > > Seriously, I applaud your ambitious effort to sort out the totality of > the experience of the left ...

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Author:	Julio Huato
Date:	Fri Apr 9 13:24:20 PDT 2010

97 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: but leaving that aside, what's your take on the post-war occupations of >> Germany and (especially) Japan? The analyses through which some Marxists >> frown on them, while cheering on Reconstruction, have always boggled my ...

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Author:	Joseph Catron
Date:	Fri Apr 9 13:20:54 PDT 2010

98 [lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1187, Issue 5 -- rank: 243

... Then gets pissy when called again. I'd suspected that Platypus was mostly bullshit. I'm grateful to Cutrone for proving ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Apr 9 13:13:25 PDT 2010

99 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On Apr 9, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > "Evil" is one of those words I think always confuses more than it > clarifies, I don't literally mean "evil," which invokes Satan and all that stuff. How's very damaging, exploitative, murderous? > but leaving that aside, what's your ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Apr 9 13:09:23 PDT 2010

100 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On Apr 9, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Christopher Cutrone wrote: > Except there's no smear: Ali said what I said he said. It may be to > some, as Henwood says, uncontroversial, but I think what Ali said > should be treated as controversial. That's my point, to not accept > it ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Apr 9 13:08:11 PDT 2010

101 [lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1187, Issue 5 -- rank: 385

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Author:	Christopher Cutrone
Date:	Fri Apr 9 12:56:25 PDT 2010

102 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

Christopher Cutrone wrote: > More than 50 years of "Third World" so-called "revolutionary" > movements have failed to produce any emancipatory results > whatsoever. Wow. "Revolutionary" (in quotes) and no "emancipatory results whatsoever." Seriously, I applaud your ambitious effort to sort out the totality of the experience of the left in world history ...

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Author:	Julio Huato
Date:	Fri Apr 9 12:52:51 PDT 2010

103 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: Actually, on further thought, I'm not sure I have some "principled" > opposition to imperialism, in some rigid, a priori sense. It does seem to be > an empirical fact, however, that every U.S. military ...

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Author:	Joseph Catron
Date:	Fri Apr 9 12:51:02 PDT 2010

104 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On Apr 9, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > At 11:06 AM 4/9/2010, Christopher Cutrone wrote: > > >> Ali said what I said he said. > > > How about clearing things up with a transcript? Or give us exactly > where he said it on the taped interview. Listen to the ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Apr 9 12:49:16 PDT 2010

105 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

At 11:52 AM 4/9/2010, Richard Seymour wrote: > > Except there's no smear: Ali said what I said he said. > >No, he did not. This has been pointed out to you. The Youtube clips >are available for everyone to see, particularly parts 8 and 9: I just watched both ...

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Author:	Dennis Claxton
Date:	Fri Apr 9 12:46:53 PDT 2010