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181 [lbo-talk] Fwd: Re: Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

shag carpet bomb wrote: > 2. they don't think dropping bombs on their heads will free them. > 3. they think that the leftist feminists in afghanistan should be > listened to and recognized as people with, as Eric Beck says, a > politics. that they are fully capable of figuring out what they ...

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182 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote: > I would say that that is an understatement. Bakunin thought that Marx and Engels (and the German Social Democratic movement and pan-Germanism in general) were basically apologists for German Empire. Also that Marx was ...

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183 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

Joseph Catron wrote (unless I have misread the text-clipping) >Like the assumptions packaged in posts about the Civil War sent to this very >list within the last few hours? (For some reason, many on the left resort >to crude moralistic appeals in this one unique instance - slavery in the >American ...

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184 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 812

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187 [lbo-talk] Fwd: Re: Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

At 04:15 AM 4/8/2010, Joseph Catron wrote: >On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote: > >It would not be hard at all to justify support for the war by appeal to Marx > > and Engels. They supported lots of wars by ...

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188 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

I would say that that is an understatement. Bakunin thought that Marx and Engels (and the German Social Democratic movement and pan-Germanism in general) were basically apologists for German Empire. ----- Original Message ---- From: James Heartfield <Heartfield at blueyonder.co.uk> I don't know Bakunin's writing except through Marx ...

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189 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

The way I see it, Marx was not interested in war as such, broadly he drew his moral preferences from what was in the interests of the development of society (which he saw as conflictual). His judgement was, roughly, that the wars of national unification up until 1870 were a net ...

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Date:	Thu Apr 8 03:26:14 PDT 2010

190 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

I don't know anything about that, but intuitively -- that is, based entirely on what you write here -- it seems that here we are talking about something that divides the working class inside a capitalist society (Britain) and by extension wars between capitalist nations (such as WWI), and so is not ...

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Date:	Thu Apr 8 02:48:42 PDT 2010

191 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

'It would not be hard at all to justify support for the war by appeal to Marx and Engels. They supported lots of wars by more advanced (according to their undertanding of advanced) nations against less advanced ones because of their supposed civilizing nature.' Yes, it is true that Marx ...

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Date:	Thu Apr 8 02:35:37 PDT 2010

192 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

Chris Cutrone writes: 'Is the Taliban/al-Qaeda opposition to the U.S. "anticapitalist" (or "anti-imperialist," in the sense of Lenin, Luxemburg and Trotsky's anti-imperialism)? We think not. But this doesn't mean that the U.S. govt. is progressive!' I agree with that. But it still says ...

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Date:	Thu Apr 8 02:08:42 PDT 2010

193 [lbo-talk] Fwd: Re: Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

I haven't actually read those posts or anything Marx and Engels wrote on the Civil War, but there is a reason that Bakunin considered Marx and Engels to be have concocted a new imperialist ideology. I just read his "The German Empire and Social Revoution," or whatever it's called ...

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Date:	Thu Apr 8 01:33:38 PDT 2010

194 [lbo-talk] Fwd: Re: Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote: It would not be hard at all to justify support for the war by appeal to Marx > and Engels. They supported lots of wars by more advanced (according to their > undertanding of advanced) nations against ...

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Author:	Joseph Catron
Date:	Thu Apr 8 01:15:31 PDT 2010

195 [lbo-talk] Fwd: Re: Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 876

... this is the wrong question to ask of us. Because Platypus isn't about taking positions but about asking questions: What ...

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Date:	Thu Apr 8 00:46:42 PDT 2010