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136 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 929

It is telling, Chris, that in enumerating the protagonists of this "Islamist terrorist conspiracy" you reproduce a laundry-list of alliances that is entirely a figment of the imperialist imaginary. Hamas in Gaza as members of the same 'Islamist Terrorist Conspiracy' as the Afghan Taliban? Give it a rest [1]. The ...

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Author:	Adaner Usmani
Date:	Thu Apr 8 22:57:23 PDT 2010

137 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

While I agree with you about 75%, I think you are effacing the difference between the "Islamist terrorist conspiracy" (which was probably just a poor choice of words), that is, terrorism done by people with various forms of radical and/or fundamentalist Islamist ideology, and the various forms of violence done ...

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Author:	Chris Doss
Date:	Thu Apr 8 20:37:51 PDT 2010

138 [lbo-talk] US Civil War (was Platypus etc) -- rank: 773

"Some sort of conflict" is a lot broader than "bloody war." ----- Original Message ---- From: James Heartfield <Heartfield at blueyonder.co.uk> But that is a false opposition. Nothing happens by economics alone. There would have had to have been some kind of conflict for the slaveowners to have been forced ...

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Author:	Chris Doss
Date:	Thu Apr 8 20:00:29 PDT 2010

139 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 812

At 04:15 PM 4/8/2010 -0700, CHRISTOPHER CUTRONE WROTE: >I don't separate the "Left" between countries, nor do I think anyone >should. For the absence of a Left in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and, >yes, Iran, today, is inextricably bound up with its absence in the U.S., >Europe ...

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Author:	Joanne Landy
Date:	Thu Apr 8 19:03:28 PDT 2010

140 [lbo-talk] US Civil War (was Platypus etc) -- rank: 773

Joseph Catron wrote: > If you're claiming that the Union's decision-making class was motivated to > go to war by abolitionism, you really are going to have to put some kind of > proof on the table. > Then why did the South secede? It was all in their heads?..... Some passages ...

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Author:	SA
Date:	Thu Apr 8 18:51:09 PDT 2010

141 [lbo-talk] US Civil War (was Platypus etc) -- rank: 773

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:28 PM, James Heartfield < Heartfield at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: Really? I think you have more faith in the US army's ability to improve > people's lives than I have. > But aren't you the one claiming that the US army pretty much ...

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Author:	Joseph Catron
Date:	Thu Apr 8 18:02:17 PDT 2010

142 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 812

But there was and is an Islamist terrorist conspiracy! There were attacks in Britain on 7/7 as well as in the U.S. on 9/11 and in Madrid and in Bali and the African cities where American embassies were bombed, etc., etc.! This Islamist terrorist conspiracy is less dangerous ...

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Author:	Christopher Cutrone
Date:	Thu Apr 8 17:00:57 PDT 2010

143 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

Chris C. writes: 'James Heartfield wrote about the problem of the "mirror image" of anti-imperialism being the anti-Islam sentiments one finds in fears of Islamist terrorism. While the threat can and is exaggerated, it does exist... Does this mean that the U.S. invasion and occupation of Afghanistan was ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Thu Apr 8 16:37:03 PDT 2010

144 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

This I'll have to vigorous contest later tonight. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Christopher Cutrone <ccutrone at speedsite.com>wrote: > > But that doesn't mean that the protest movement in Iran is reliably > "progressive," especially given its Khomeiniite Islamist default leadership > of Mousavi, Khatami, Rafsmanjani, et ...

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Author:	Bhaskar Sunkara
Date:	Thu Apr 8 16:28:39 PDT 2010

145 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 812

I don't separate the "Left" between countries, nor do I think anyone should. For the absence of a Left in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and, yes, Iran, today, is inextricably bound up with its absence in the U.S., Europe, etc. (On Iran, clearly a U.S. or Israeli strike would ...

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Author:	Christopher Cutrone
Date:	Thu Apr 8 16:15:58 PDT 2010

146 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

I think when Cutrone says "there is no real potential progressive 'anti-imperialist' politics that provides an actual emancipatory alternative to U.S. policy," he's probably thinking of the fact that there is really no progressive, democratic left to speak of in the places currently dealing with US aggression - Iraq ...

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Author:	Chris Maisano
Date:	Thu Apr 8 15:47:53 PDT 2010

147 [lbo-talk] US Civil War (was Platypus etc) -- rank: 773

Joseph writes: 'If we choose "reaction" vs. "progress" as our litmus test, we will find ourselves on the side of empire in Afghanistan and any number of other conflicts.' Really? I think you have more faith in the US army's ability to improve people's lives than I have. and ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Thu Apr 8 15:28:56 PDT 2010

148 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 844

... passes for "leftwing politics" today. That's the point of Platypus saying that the "Left is dead!" Being discontented with the ...

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Author:	Christopher Cutrone
Date:	Thu Apr 8 15:14:28 PDT 2010

149 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 844

... directly last night: > >I don't know of anyone in Platypus who supports the U.S. in any of its wars ...

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Author:	Joanne Landy
Date:	Thu Apr 8 13:47:12 PDT 2010

150 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 844

... directly last night: > >I don't know of anyone in Platypus who supports the U.S. in any of its wars ... I still haven't heard from you as to whether > > Platypus supports the U.S. war in Afghanistan. Does it? Are ...

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Author:	Joanne Landy
Date:	Thu Apr 8 13:22:25 PDT 2010