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91 [lbo-talk] BHL rallies support for Polanski -- rank: 773

On 30 sept. 2009, at 10:29, Doug Henwood wrote: > [Jezebel has gotten pretty mediocre since they lost Moe et al, but > this is pretty good.] Where is that good ? > the only ones. And the public interest is, in fact, better served by > punishing people who rape children and flee the country than it is > by bowing to famous and powerful people who somehow believe that > really good films make up for felonies Famous and powerful people ? I hardly see any famous _and_ powerful peo ...

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Author:	JC Helary
Date:	Tue Sep 29 21:07:20 PDT 2009

92 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

At 11:22 PM -0400 29/9/09, Dwayne Monroe wrote: >Or, to follow Jordan's lead on the OJ saga, we can reference Chris >Rock who, on the occasion of OJ's acquittal said: "black people are >too happy, and white people are too mad." A pretty astute observation >I thought which got to the heart of how both endlessly forgiving and >wild eyed accusatory opinion were often inspired by other factors >besides the case's raw details. Which is why it is considered unwise to polit ...

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Author:	Bill Bartlett
Date:	Tue Sep 29 20:58:04 PDT 2009

93 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

42 days for drugging and raping a 13 year old girl. Wonder what his sentence would have been if he had been black and unfamous. Or just unfamous. 42 days. Just over a month. His fashionable amorality -- as expressed in his work -- was always slightly nauseating. There was always the frisson of his childhood, of his wife's murder...but this is not a man who ever had anything to say about justice or freedom or conscience. He was just another east european who figured out how to get the most out of ...

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Author:	Joanna
Date:	Tue Sep 29 20:35:49 PDT 2009

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Doug wrote: The cultural elite is going to turn me into Bill O'Reilly before this is all over. ............. The O'Reilly position would be (and probably is) that this petition is an example of the general permissiveness and distance from normal reactions typical of the "cultural elite". Of course, that misses the target. It misses the target, because the artists and intellectuals who're rallying around Polanski are motivated by a feeling -- either passionately felt or lazily assumed - ...

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Author:	Dwayne Monroe
Date:	Tue Sep 29 20:22:59 PDT 2009

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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:15 PM, andie nachgeborenen < andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote: > Andie (criminal defense lawyer) > > > Andie, all I have running through my brain right now is The Fall's "Oswald Defense Lawyer"... man, I loved Mark E Smith and frenz in the 80s...

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Author:	Alan Rudy
Date:	Tue Sep 29 20:18:52 PDT 2009

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> ...So, instead of withdrawing his plea and > exercising his right to a trial, he decides to bolt...It is > truly shocking how little it takes to convince a jury to lock someone > up forever -- and for an appellate court to uphold the verdict and > sentence. Imagined dialogue between an experienced, sympathetic, adult prosecutor with a thirteen year old aspiring model whose mother has called the cops when informed that her daughter had had sex with a rich movie director. Total ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Tue Sep 29 20:14:18 PDT 2009

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SA asks: > Does anyone know how much time Polanski would be facing if tried and > convicted? Who cares? He cut a deal and the wack judge backed out. I would have left, too! /jordan

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Author:	Jordan Hayes
Date:	Tue Sep 29 19:49:34 PDT 2009

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Doug continues: >> No one disputes that OJ killed his wife, right? > > Well, yeah, but no one who counts. That's the point: this isn't about whether Polanski had sex with a 13 year old girl. But that's what you seem to want to make it about. /jordan

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Author:	Jordan Hayes
Date:	Tue Sep 29 19:47:38 PDT 2009

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Doug Henwood wrote: > On Sep 29, 2009, at 9:32 PM, John S Costello wrote: > >> Yes, how terrible that the government has an axe to grind when a >> 13-year-old child is raped. It should keep its nose out of people's >> private >> affairs! How uppity of it! > > This is one of the more noxious pieces of crap I've read in some time: > > <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joan-z-shore/polanskis-arrest-shame-on_b_301134.html>. > > > The cultural el ...

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Author:	SA
Date:	Tue Sep 29 19:30:25 PDT 2009

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On Sep 29, 2009, at 10:15 PM, andie nachgeborenen wrote: > the judge will ask the Defenfant under oath of it is true. In > addition the Defendant will typically be expected to make an > allocution, to describe the crime in his own words. A good judge > who's not too busy will dig hard to get a detailed story. Point is, > the plea is not the whole story James Earl Ray Shane Mage > This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it > always was and is and shall be: an everlasti ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Tue Sep 29 19:27:57 PDT 2009

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On Sep 29, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Jordan Hayes wrote: > No one disputes that OJ killed his wife, right? Well, yeah, but no one who counts.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Sep 29 19:24:00 PDT 2009

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On Sep 29, 2009, at 9:41 PM, Doug Henwood wrote: > > The cultural elite is going to turn me into Bill O'Reilly before > this is all over. The moment you parrot the phrase "The cultural elite" you've already been turned. Shane Mage > This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it > always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire, > kindling in measures and going out in measures." > > Herakleitos of Ephesos

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Tue Sep 29 19:23:09 PDT 2009

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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:42 PM, <shrill.polemic at gmail.com> wrote: > I think much of the outrage is over the misconduct of the prosecutor and > judge during the trial. As I recall they basically reneged on a plea > agreement and Polanski fled. It's all detailed in the HBO documentary, Roman > Polanski: Wanted and Desired. One can fault the judge for offering a plea > deal that was too lenient, but that isn't Polanski's fault. Add tot that, > the victim, Samantha Geime ...

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Author:	WD
Date:	Tue Sep 29 19:18:54 PDT 2009

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You plead to the charges in the indictment, maybe as modified by the plea bargain, which may be more than the the facts that satisfy the elements of the crime. (Although you plead to those at a minimum.) So unless you are lying in your plea, the plea is a subset of the facts. We have real offense rather than charge offense sentencing, means not everyone who pleads to the same thing gets the same sentence. So the courts get, typically, the parole board (not consering parole at this stage) to int ...

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Author:	andie nachgeborenen
Date:	Tue Sep 29 19:15:16 PDT 2009

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Doug writes: > What one pleads guilty to and the facts of a case are two separate > things. And yet is stuck on: > My understanding is that no one disputes that he gave the girl > a 'lude and raped her. Am I wrong about that? No one disputes that OJ killed his wife, right? /jordan

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Author:	Jordan Hayes
Date:	Tue Sep 29 18:59:34 PDT 2009