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46 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

At 06:54 PM 9/29/2009, Doug Henwood wrote: >My understanding is that no one disputes that he gave the girl >a 'lude and raped her. Am I wrong about that? Polanski has admitted it himself and I'm not talking about his guilty plea. He's on record saying it happened at least as early as a 60 minutes interview with Mike Wallace after he left the country.

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Author:	Dennis Claxton
Date:	Wed Sep 30 10:00:42 PDT 2009

47 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

> denial of the fact that Polanski etc. Prurient fascination with a prosecutor's version of a sexual encounter 30+ years ago lets some people treat it as a "fact." Grand Jury transcripts may make for good pornography. They ain't evidence any more than is a plea bargain. Shane Mage > This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it > always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire, > kindling in measures and going out in measures." > > Herakleitos of Eph ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Wed Sep 30 10:00:14 PDT 2009

48 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

There was a good documentary on the problems with the Polanski sentencing - I couldn't remember it all so I'm borrowing this account from http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2009/09/29/8613/: "He did not flee to avoid prosecution for the crime; he did not even flee to avoid sentencing, at first: after being allowed to travel abroad to complete a film project in the interval between trial and sentencing, he returned to the US on his own recognizance to accept a sentence in the case in which his ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Wed Sep 30 09:05:06 PDT 2009

49 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

Psychologically speaking, how does Shane's denial of the fact that Polanski drugged and then had non-consensual sex  with a girl compare with other kinds of denialisms--of evolution, say, or the moon landing?

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Author:	Mark DeLucas
Date:	Wed Sep 30 08:54:09 PDT 2009

50 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

On Sep 30, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Doug Henwood wrote: > > On Sep 30, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Shane Mage wrote: > >> Is there any other issue, any other conceivable issue, on which >> Leftists can be found to side with Le Pen and against Costa-Gavras? > > If you're going to make a list of personalities, how do you feel > about siding with BHL? If BHL sides with Costa-Gavras I'm OK with that. If BHL doesn't side with LePen et al. I'm OK with that too. Shane Mage > This cosm ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Wed Sep 30 08:33:20 PDT 2009

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On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Doug Henwood wrote: > > On Sep 30, 2009, at 1:40 AM, Shane Mage wrote: > >> People are slavering over the "thirteen." Populist puritan >> prurience on the left > > First time ever I've been called a puritan. I'm an enthusiastic > friend of all manner of queers and perverts... OK, you're *not* a puritan -:) Shane Mage > This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it > always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire, ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Wed Sep 30 08:30:06 PDT 2009

52 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

On Sep 30, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Shane Mage wrote: > Is there any other issue, any other conceivable issue, on which > Leftists can be found to side with Le Pen and against Costa-Gavras? If you're going to make a list of personalities, how do you feel about siding with BHL?

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Sep 30 08:23:01 PDT 2009

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Is there any other issue, any other conceivable issue, on which Leftists can be found to side with Le Pen and against Costa-Gavras? NYTimes article, 30/09 ..."the father and daughter politicians Jean-Marie and Marine Le Pen also criticized the ministers, saying they were supporting a criminal pedophile in the name of the rights of the political-artistic class. Marie-Louise Fort, an Assembly member who has sponsored anti-incest legislation, said in an interview that she was shocked by t ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Wed Sep 30 08:14:26 PDT 2009

54 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

> Tyson was arrested in July 1991 for the rape of 18-year-old Desiree > Washington, Miss Black Rhode Island, in an Indianapolis hotel room... My godfather, the man I'm named after, was one of Tyson's attorneys, though how far down the line he was from more celebrated names I've no idea. When Tyson got out, I wrote a joke about it for Bill Maher: "Mike Tyson was released from prison this week after serving a sentence for rape. Tyson says he's now a Muslim, and is weighing two career op ...

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Author:	Dennis Perrin
Date:	Wed Sep 30 07:11:07 PDT 2009

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--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Wojtek S <wsoko52 at gmail.com> wrote: [WS:] How can anyone answer that question? -- The question can be answered easily, because it happened: The match between Tyson and reigning champion Holyfield did not occur. Tyson was arrested in July 1991 for the rape of 18-year-old Desiree Washington, Miss Black Rhode Island, in an Indianapolis hotel room... Tyson was convicted on the rape charge on February 10, 1992 after the jury deliberated for nearly 10 hours.[42] Under Ind ...

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Author:	Chris Doss
Date:	Wed Sep 30 07:01:14 PDT 2009

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Chris: So, if, say, Mike Tyson were to be found guilty of raping a black woman, nothing would happen to him? [WS:] How can anyone answer that question? You know darn well how the criminal justic in this country works - that a lot, and I mean A LOT, depends of prosecutorial discretion whether and how to prosecute a case. In most circusmtances, cases are pretty much decided before they even go to court either through plea bargaining or through prosecutorial decision to file specific charges. Yo ...

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Author:	Wojtek S
Date:	Wed Sep 30 06:53:34 PDT 2009

57 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Lenin's Tomb <leninstombblog at googlemail.com > wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: > > > It's just that when someone says "No no no," you should take your dick > out > > of her ass. > > You and your bourgeois 'manners'. I suppose you'll be objecting to shoving > a chemical light up a POW's arse next. > My thought was that when someone has already said no, i ...

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Author:	Alan Rudy
Date:	Wed Sep 30 06:52:14 PDT 2009

58 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Lenin's Tomb wrote: > You and your bourgeois 'manners'. I suppose you'll be objecting to > shoving > a chemical light up a POW's arse next. You should write a sequel: The Liberal Defense of Rape.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Wed Sep 30 06:51:36 PDT 2009

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On Sep 30, 2009, at 12:43 AM, Shane Mage wrote: >> >> Not rape. *Statutory* Rape. Two totally different things. >>> >> >> Did you read her testimony? Of course not. >> > > Having no prurient interest in the matter, and still less hysteria about > "drugs," I read only the summary. That was enough. Grand jury testimony is > not evidence of anything except what the prosecutor coached the witness to > say, as I've pointed out more th ...

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On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Wojtek S wrote: > "Testimony" and "proven beyond reasonable doubt" are two rather > different things, no? And, as I've said a few times before, no one has really disputed the testimony, right? Aside from you and Shane Mage more than 30 years after the fact? Gotta love BHL on this: Mr P had "perhaps had committed a youthful error." He evidently shares Henry Hyde's definition of youth. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
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