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Not so much a reaction to this post of John's but... Dontcha think this thread has gotten redundant and VERY tired...? On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 7:16 PM, JC Helary <brandelune at gmail.com> wrote: > > On 1 oct. 2009, at 08:52, John Thornton wrote: > > I expect everyone who defends Polanski on these grounds is OK with EVERY >> poor person and person of color simply walking out of court tomorrow and >> from here on claiming they cannot get a fair trial and we should ju ...

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Dennis Claxton wrote: > At 09:05 AM 9/30/2009, James Heartfield wrote: > > >> The same judge had already abused his discretion by arranging to have >> Polanski held in maximum security for 42 days before his conviction, >> supposedly for a "psychological evaluation" that should have taken a >> day or two. > > > This is wrong and makes me suspect this whole summary. Polanski was > sent for this evaluation after he pleaded guilty. This is ro ...

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On 1 oct. 2009, at 08:52, John Thornton wrote: > I expect everyone who defends Polanski on these grounds is OK with > EVERY poor person and person of color simply walking out of court > tomorrow and from here on claiming they cannot get a fair trial and > we should just let their case drop. > On the same grounds we'll have to release every poor person and > person of color currently incarcerated. Considering the incarceration rate in the US, it's very likely that you'd release ...

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On 1 oct. 2009, at 07:44, Doug Henwood wrote: > > On Sep 30, 2009, at 6:38 PM, JC Helary wrote: > >> On 1 oct. 2009, at 06:11, James Heartfield wrote: >> >>> Is justice served by imprisoning a 76 year-old man for something >>> he did when he was 44? >> >> In some cases yes. I'm thinking of assassinations, crimes against >> humanity etc. Things that have been judged in French courts in the >> past already (Paul Touvier, Klaus Barbie). ...

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JC Helary wrote: > > On 1 oct. 2009, at 07:23, Doug Henwood wrote: > >> As a friend who browses the archives wrote me this morning, shocked >> by the defenses of RP, "what if it had been Cheney?" We know what the >> reaction to that would have been - gleeful calls for his heads, both >> little and big. > > Cheney proved way beyond doubt that he is a danger for society, like > "the whole entire world". If putting him to jail forever ca ...

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On Sep 30, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Dwayne Monroe wrote: > This is almost precisely what I wrote yesterday: > > <http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20090928/013615.html > > > > Not only did it receive less play than a showered, well dressed guy at > Burning Man, it's presented as a new! observation! > > > Ah well, sooner or later, your audience fades away leaving only > memories and bottles of ginger beer to keep you warm. Apologies. Been ...

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Dennis Claxton wrote: > At 02:22 PM 9/30/2009, shrill.polemic at gmail.com wrote: > > >>> John Thornton writes: >> >>> "Not exactly. The DA made him a sweetheart deal (maybe because he was >>> rich and famous?) but that deal was still contingent on the judge >>> signing >>> off on it. The judge looked at the facts in the case and decided not to >>> do that." > > > Who knows? Dead men tell no tales and the ju ...

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Date:	Wed Sep 30 16:52:03 PDT 2009

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On 1 oct. 2009, at 07:23, Doug Henwood wrote: > As a friend who browses the archives wrote me this morning, shocked > by the defenses of RP, "what if it had been Cheney?" We know what > the reaction to that would have been - gleeful calls for his heads, > both little and big. Cheney proved way beyond doubt that he is a danger for society, like "the whole entire world". If putting him to jail forever can be done by proving he stole chocolate bars when he was 5 I' ...

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Date:	Wed Sep 30 15:45:07 PDT 2009

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On Sep 30, 2009, at 6:38 PM, JC Helary wrote: > On 1 oct. 2009, at 06:11, James Heartfield wrote: > >> Is justice served by imprisoning a 76 year-old man for something he >> did when he was 44? > > In some cases yes. I'm thinking of assassinations, crimes against > humanity etc. Things that have been judged in French courts in the > past already (Paul Touvier, Klaus Barbie). > > But as you describe the case, no. So it's ok to dodge a prison sentence - not one ...

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Doug wrote: Exactly. I won't deny I love gossip and scandal but what makes all this politically interesting is the way the cultural elite - a phrase whose use Shane Mage says shows I'm already O'Reilly-ized, and if so, fuck it - has united to defend its own. As a friend who browses the archives wrote me this morning, shocked by the defenses of RP, "what if it had been Cheney?" We know what the reaction to that would have been - gleeful calls for his heads, both little and big. ........ ...

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Date:	Wed Sep 30 15:40:16 PDT 2009

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On 1 oct. 2009, at 06:11, James Heartfield wrote: > Is justice served by imprisoning a 76 year-old man for something he > did when he was 44? In some cases yes. I'm thinking of assassinations, crimes against humanity etc. Things that have been judged in French courts in the past already (Paul Touvier, Klaus Barbie). But as you describe the case, no. Jean-Christophe Helary

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On Sep 30, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > What struck me about this latest Polanski tale is the fawning and > hedging responses from what Doug aptly calls the cultural elite. Exactly. I won't deny I love gossip and scandal but what makes all this politically interesting is the way the cultural elite - a phrase whose use Shane Mage says shows I'm already O'Reilly-ized, and if so, fuck it - has united to defend its own. As a friend who browses the archives wrote me this mornin ...

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Date:	Wed Sep 30 15:23:40 PDT 2009

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At 02:22 PM 9/30/2009, shrill.polemic at gmail.com wrote: >>John Thornton writes: > >>"Not exactly. The DA made him a sweetheart deal (maybe because he was >>rich and famous?) but that deal was still contingent on the judge signing >>off on it. The judge looked at the facts in the case and decided not to >>do that." Who knows? Dead men tell no tales and the judge is in the ground. How this thing was adjudicated is a separate topic and I don't think it ...

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Date:	Wed Sep 30 15:11:43 PDT 2009

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On Sep 30, 2009 4:11pm, James Heartfield <Heartfield at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > John Thornton writes: > "Not exactly. The DA made him a sweetheart deal (maybe because he was > rich and famous?) but that deal was still contingent on the judge signing > off on it. The judge looked at the facts in the case and decided not to > do that." For what it's worth, that isn't accurate. The judge engineered the deal and then reneged due to pressure from the press. He also ...

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Date:	Wed Sep 30 14:22:28 PDT 2009

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The Polanski imbroglio has certainly been a Godsend for advocates of virtue engineering. One Shirin Sadeghi -- a bit of a hottie herself, if her thumbnail pic is to be believed -- argues on HuffPo that Polanski is a poster-boy for chemical castration -- the thing they tried on Alan Turing, IIRC. Apparently Poland now has some provision for this technological approach to the problem: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shirin-sadeghi/poland-and-polanski-chemi_b_301212.html or http://tinyurl.com/ballbur ...

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