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121 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

At 03:50 PM 9/29/2009, Shane Mage wrote: >Grand jury testimony is, almost by definition, coached. Ok. Now I know you haven't read it. Coached or no, it's relevant and anyone making proclamations like you are should have read it. >What is *not under dispute* is that Polanski was sandbagged into >a bait-and-switch plea bargain. That is one of things that is very much under dispute. You said earlier both prosecutor and judge changed the terms. Not true. It was the judge only. You don ...

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Author:	Dennis Claxton
Date:	Tue Sep 29 15:58:46 PDT 2009

122 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

At 03:41 PM 9/29/2009, wrobert at uci.edu wrote: >I had heard that the victim was willing to be >called to be a witness for the defense. I'd be curious if anyone had more >on that. robert wood No. She asked the DA's office to drop it so she could move on. Then and now photos of her are here: http://www.examiner.com/x-264-Celebrity-News-Examiner~y2009m9d27-Roman-Polanski-arrested-in-Switzerland-for-having-sex-with-Samantha-Geimer-31-years-ago-photos http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009 ...

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Author:	Dennis Claxton
Date:	Tue Sep 29 15:52:20 PDT 2009

123 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: > > On Sep 29, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > > There's nothing so-called about it. Polanski pleaded guilty and the facts >> are hardly in dispute. >> > > I don't get the cultural elite's reaction. So it's not under dispute that > the guy drugged and raped a 13-year-old girl, right? Call me a hardass, but > that sort of thing deserves some serious time. Running off ...

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Date:	Tue Sep 29 15:52:06 PDT 2009

124 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

> On Sep 29, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Shane Mage wrote: >> was *statutory* rape of a sexually mature girl On Sep 29, 2009, Doug Henwood wrote: >> "She was 13, she claims she said no, and he supposedly drugged her... So it's not under dispute that the guy drugged and raped a 13-year-old girl" Grand jury testimony is, almost by definition, coached. It is also, absolutely by definition, unchallengeable by cross examination or presentation of contradictory or exculpatory eviden ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Tue Sep 29 15:50:09 PDT 2009

125 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

Without disputing what Doug said, I've never understood the solidarity with Polanski thing myself, I had heard that the victim was willing to be called to be a witness for the defense. I'd be curious if anyone had more on that. robert wood > On Sep 29, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > >> There's nothing so-called about it. Polanski pleaded guilty and the >> facts are hardly in dispute. > > I don't get the cultural elite's reaction. So it's not under dispute &g ...

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Author:	wrobert at uci.edu
Date:	Tue Sep 29 15:41:54 PDT 2009

126 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

At 03:25 PM 9/29/2009, Doug Henwood wrote: >>was *statutory* rape of a sexually mature girl > >She was 13, she claims she said no, and he supposedly drugged her. >Aside from that, nothing much. She also testified that Polanski started performing "cuddliness" on her.

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Author:	Dennis Claxton
Date:	Tue Sep 29 15:33:30 PDT 2009

127 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

On Sep 29, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Shane Mage wrote: > was *statutory* rape of a sexually mature girl She was 13, she claims she said no, and he supposedly drugged her. Aside from that, nothing much.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Sep 29 15:25:48 PDT 2009

128 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

On Sep 29, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > There's nothing so-called about it. Polanski pleaded guilty and the > facts are hardly in dispute. I don't get the cultural elite's reaction. So it's not under dispute that the guy drugged and raped a 13-year-old girl, right? Call me a hardass, but that sort of thing deserves some serious time. Running off to Paris for 35 years is hardly a substitute. Am I wrong? Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Sep 29 15:25:12 PDT 2009

129 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Shane Mage <shmage at pipeline.com> wrote: > > On Sep 29, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > > Of all the comments being thrown around about Roman Polanski, this one is >> bugging me most: >> "Whatever you think about the so-called crime, Polanski has served his >> time. " >> Harvey Weinstein >> There's nothing so-called about it. Polanski pleaded guilty and the facts >> are hardly in disput ...

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Date:	Tue Sep 29 15:24:17 PDT 2009

130 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

At 03:10 PM 9/29/2009, Shane Mage wrote: >so-called, because the "crime" was *statutory* rape of a sexually >mature girl Sexually mature girl? What the fuck does that mean? She was 13. And you're leaving out the part about quaaludes and alcohol. >aspiring to the career of a Hollywood "model." So, aspiring to the career of a Hollywood model means you're asking for it? Fuck you. >No injury, no victim, no crime. Have you read the grand jury testimony?

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Author:	Dennis Claxton
Date:	Tue Sep 29 15:21:12 PDT 2009

131 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

On Sep 29, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > Of all the comments being thrown around about Roman Polanski, this > one is bugging me most: > "Whatever you think about the so-called crime, Polanski has served > his time. " > Harvey Weinstein > There's nothing so-called about it. Polanski pleaded guilty and the > facts are hardly in dispute. > so-called, because the "crime" was *statutory* rape of a sexually mature girl aspiring to the career of ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Tue Sep 29 15:10:34 PDT 2009

132 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

Of all the comments being thrown around about Roman Polanski, this one is bugging me most: "Whatever you think about the so-called crime, Polanski has served his time. " Harvey Weinstein There's nothing so-called about it. Polanski pleaded guilty and the facts are hardly in dispute. Smoking Gun put the guilty plea up today or yesterday. Grand jury transcripts with the victim's testimony have been there for a few years now: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0928091polans ...

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Author:	Dennis Claxton
Date:	Tue Sep 29 14:31:36 PDT 2009

133 [lbo-talk] NYTimes.com: In Polanski Case, '70s Culture Collides With Today -- rank: 773

Rosemary's Baby was all part of Polanski's plan to get lots of nubile ass. --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Shane Mage <shmage at pipeline.com> wrote: > From: Shane Mage <shmage at pipeline.com> > Subject: [lbo-talk] NYTimes.com: In Polanski Case, '70s Culture Collides With Today > To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org > Cc: "Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition" <marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu> > Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 6:10 PM > > ...Joelle Casteix ...

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Author:	Chris Doss
Date:	Sat Oct 10 16:19:27 PDT 2009

134 [lbo-talk] NYTimes.com: In Polanski Case, '70s Culture Collides With Today -- rank: 773

This page was sent to you by: shmage at pipeline.com. link to entire article MOVIES | October 11, 2009 In Polanski Case, '70s Culture Collides With Today By MICHAEL CIEPLY Roman Polanski's arrest to face an old charge of having sex with a 13-year-old is a reminder that, when it comes to adult sex with the under age, things have changed. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/movies/11polanski.html?emc=eta1 ---------------------------------------------------------- ABOUT THIS E-MAIL This e-mail was se ...

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Date:	Sat Oct 10 15:20:40 PDT 2009

135 [lbo-talk] NYTimes.com: In Polanski Case, '70s Culture Collides With Today -- rank: 773

> ...Joelle Casteix, the southwest regional director of the Survivors > Network of Those Abused by Priests, traced the changes in attitude > toward sex with minors, among other things, to a change in the movies. > The kids of the 70s were raised with films The Omen, The > Demon Seed that put adult sensibilities into children, said Ms. > Casteix, whose group last week called for continued pursuit of Mr. > Polanski at a demonstration in Los Angeles. But a lot of ch ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
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