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106 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

The cultural elite is going to turn me into Bill O'Reilly before this is all over. Doug ___________________________________ I'd say you have some company. "But it is a firm principle of Socialism never to interfere with personal property in order to investigate its origin or to arrange it in a different way. Never and nowhere! And whoever asserts to the contrary either does not know the principles of Socialism or willingly and knowingly asserts an untruth. The Socialists deem an investigati ...

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Author:	Max B. Sawicky
Date:	Tue Sep 29 15:57:57 PDT 2009

107 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

On Sep 29, 2009, at 9:42 PM, Sandy Harris wrote: > On 9/30/09, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: > >>> There's nothing so-called about it. Polanski pleaded guilty and >>> the facts >> are hardly in dispute. >> >> I don't get the cultural elite's reaction. So it's not under >> dispute that >> the guy drugged and raped a 13-year-old girl, right? > > It's not under dispute that he had sex with her. That's what he > plea ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Sep 29 18:54:32 PDT 2009

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wow, Nation ed Katrina vanden Heuvel is defending the great man: <http://twitter.com/KatrinaNation>

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Sep 29 18:46:54 PDT 2009

109 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

On 9/30/09, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: > > There's nothing so-called about it. Polanski pleaded guilty and the facts > are hardly in dispute. > > I don't get the cultural elite's reaction. So it's not under dispute that > the guy drugged and raped a 13-year-old girl, right? It's not under dispute that he had sex with her. That's what he plead guilty to.

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Author:	Sandy Harris
Date:	Tue Sep 29 18:42:53 PDT 2009

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On Sep 29, 2009, at 9:32 PM, John S Costello wrote: > Yes, how terrible that the government has an axe to grind when a > 13-year-old child is raped. It should keep its nose out of people's > private > affairs! How uppity of it! This is one of the more noxious pieces of crap I've read in some time: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joan-z-shore/polanskis-arrest-shame-on_b_301134.html >. The cultural elite is going to turn me into Bill O'Reilly before this is all over. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Sep 29 18:41:33 PDT 2009

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> > So the government appears to be the only party with an axe to grind here. > > shrill Yes, how terrible that the government has an axe to grind when a 13-year-old child is raped. It should keep its nose out of people's private affairs! How uppity of it! -- "The urge to fly from modern systems, instead of moving through them to even greater, fairer things is, I think, an indication of deep weariness and confusion." -- Dwayne Monroe

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Author:	John S Costello
Date:	Tue Sep 29 18:32:38 PDT 2009

112 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

JC Helary: What's funny is that he could eventually meet the killer of his wife and baby there. And they even might end up staying in jail until the end of their life together. Somebody: Yeah, it's time for the progressive left to put to bed the notion that getting raped in prison is a suitable punishment. Ezra Klein had a great piece about this in the LA Times: "Prison rape occupies a fairly odd space in our culture. It is, all at once, a cherished source of humor, a tacitly accepted form ...

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Author:	Somebody Somebody
Date:	Tue Sep 29 18:32:01 PDT 2009

113 [lbo-talk] BHL rallies support for Polanski -- rank: 773

[Jezebel has gotten pretty mediocre since they lost Moe et al, but this is pretty good.] <http://jezebel.com/5370356/letters-from-hollywood-roman-polanskis-rape-of-child-no-big-thing > Letters From Hollywood: Roman Polanski's Rape Of Child No Big Thing By Kate Harding, 3:00 PM on Tue Sep 29 2009, 23,775 views "Does being an 'artist' trump being a rapist?" asks Melissa Silverstein of Women & Hollywood. According to 138 people in the film industry who signed a petition deman ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Sep 29 18:29:08 PDT 2009

114 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

On 30 sept. 2009, at 09:03, Doug Henwood wrote: > On Sep 29, 2009, at 7:42 PM, shrill.polemic at gmail.com wrote: > >> I think much of the outrage is over the misconduct of the >> prosecutor and judge during the trial. > > Terrible, of course. But if Polanski did anything like what he's > accused of, he's a depraved SOB. He _was_. If the guy in question were not such a high profile celebrity and considering the fact that the lady has requested to drop the charges, I ...

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Author:	JC Helary
Date:	Tue Sep 29 17:57:44 PDT 2009

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On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, Dennis Claxton wrote: > Smoking Gun put the guilty plea up today or yesterday. Grand jury > transcripts with the victim's testimony have been there for a few years > now: > > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0928091polanskiplea1.html > > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskicover1.html As you say, the link to the victim's testimony is very nearby: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0610081polanski1.html Thanks for ins ...

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Author:	Michael Pollak
Date:	Tue Sep 29 17:51:28 PDT 2009

116 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

On Sep 29, 2009, at 7:42 PM, shrill.polemic at gmail.com wrote: > I think much of the outrage is over the misconduct of the prosecutor > and judge during the trial. Terrible, of course. But if Polanski did anything like what he's accused of, he's a depraved SOB.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Sep 29 17:03:20 PDT 2009

117 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

On Sep 29, 2009 5:25pm, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: > I don't get the cultural elite's reaction. So it's not under dispute that > the guy drugged and raped a 13-year-old girl, right? Call me a hardass, > but that sort of thing deserves some serious time. Running off to Paris > for 35 years is hardly a substitute. Am I wrong? > Doug I think much of the outrage is over the misconduct of the prosecutor and judge during the trial. As I recall they basically rene ...

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Author:	shrill.polemic at gmail.com
Date:	Tue Sep 29 16:42:21 PDT 2009

118 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

I think it might be part of confusing a person's talent with their moral worth. If somebody produces a great work of art, then they can't be bad. Otherwise, you would feel guilty for appreciating the work. People do this with Heidegger all the time, but in the other direction (Heidegger did bad things, therefore the products of his talent must be bad). I blame the idea (that starts with, or at least around, Kant as far as I know) that the Genius is some kind of singular individual whose work st ...

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Author:	Chris Doss
Date:	Tue Sep 29 16:21:57 PDT 2009

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At 04:03 PM 9/29/2009, Shane Mage wrote: >On Sep 29, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Dennis Claxton sputtered: >> Fuck you. I didn't sputter. I said it very clearly and calmly. I think it's a good standard response to anyone who concludes a 13 year old rape victim was asking for it.

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Author:	Dennis Claxton
Date:	Tue Sep 29 16:11:29 PDT 2009

120 [lbo-talk] Polanski -- rank: 773

On Sep 29, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Dennis Claxton sputtered: > Fuck you.

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Tue Sep 29 16:03:54 PDT 2009