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31 [lbo-talk] Contemporary forms of female self-objectification -- rank: 1000

Leigh Meyers wrote: > > I don't get what's wrong with makeup. > >It tastes yukky. That's not the part you're supposed to eat. Doug

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Date:	Sun Sep 18 10:32:46 PDT 2005

32 [lbo-talk] Contemporary forms of female self-objectification -- rank: 1000

On Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:50 AM [PDT], Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: > I don't get what's wrong with makeup. It tastes yukky.

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Author:	Leigh Meyers
Date:	Sun Sep 18 10:17:15 PDT 2005

33 [lbo-talk] Re: Contemporary forms of female self-objectification -- rank: 1000

Speaking of Ariel Levy, her obit for Andrea Dworkin is quite good: <http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/people/features/11907/>. E.g.: >Dworkin was a one-dimensional public persona, but she was a nuanced >writer, with a gift for conveying abstract concepts through acute, >unusual metaphors. "It's not as if there's an empty patch that one >can see and so one can say, 'There's my ignorance; it's about ten by >ten and a dozen feet high and someday someone will fill in the ...

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Date:	Sun Sep 18 10:00:44 PDT 2005

34 [lbo-talk] Re: Contemporary forms of female self-objectification -- rank: 1000

Dwayne Monroe wrote: >He tried to point out how, for pretty much any het guy whose libido >was in the on position and who wasn't a jackass, the simple fact she >was smart, funny and beautiful would be all the inspiration required. > >As we talked about this, he sighed heavily into the phone; "Dwayne, >where are these women learning they have to act like pornstars to >get some attention? Where the hell is that coming from?" Levy does write about the phenom you're t ...

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Date:	Sun Sep 18 09:56:08 PDT 2005

35 [lbo-talk] Contemporary forms of female self-objectification -- rank: 1000

Marvin Gandall wrote: >My wife brought the item to my attention. A much more muted and >benign form of self-objectification is the tendency of many >progressive feminists to wear lipstick, perfume, and dye their hair. >Now I will quickly put on my helmet, because whenever Walker (yes, >her first name) and I have chided left-wing women friends about >this, the brickbats have quickly rained down on us. But in >cyberspace, I feel safer, and it is an interesting question, no? An ...

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Date:	Sun Sep 18 09:50:19 PDT 2005

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Dwayne Monroe wrote: > > > I'm really looking forward to reading Levy's book; it may provide insight > into something my friends and I have been talking and theorizing about for > several years: namely, what one of my friends calls the "woo girl > phenomena" and the "pornification of everyday styles." > > > "Woo", taken from the party time battle cry of a woman who might, let's > say, pull off her top at an intersection, lean out of a c ...

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Author:	Marvin Gandall
Date:	Sun Sep 18 09:00:54 PDT 2005

37 [lbo-talk] Contemporary forms of female self-objectification -- rank: 1000

Marvin Gandall : My wife brought the item to my attention. A much more muted and benign form of self-objectification is the tendency of many progressive feminists to wear lipstick, perfume, and dye their hair. Now I will quickly put on my helmet, because whenever Walker (yes, her first name) and I have chided left-wing women friends about this, the brickbats have quickly rained down on us. But in cyberspace, I feel safer, and it is an interesting question, no? And maybe one to pose to Ms. Levy. ...

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Date:	Sun Sep 18 08:26:11 PDT 2005

38 [lbo-talk] Re: Contemporary forms of female self-objectification -- rank: 1000

Marvin Gandall posted: 'Female Chauvinist Pigs': Girls Gone Wild Reviewed by JENNIFER EGAN New York Times September 18, 2005 By Reading "Female Chauvinist Pigs," Ariel Levy's lively polemic, gave me an epiphany of sorts. Finally, a coherent interpretation of an array of phenomena I'd puzzled over in recent years: the way Paris Hilton's leaked sex tapes seemed only to enhance her career; the horrifying popularity of vaginoplasty... [...] full at -- <http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/piperm ...

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39 [lbo-talk] Re: Contemporary forms of female self-objectification -- rank: 1000

Mike Ballard wrote: > Dear LOBsters, > > Our conservatives down here in Oz (officialy titled, "Liberals) think that > this > "self-objectification" needs to be taught. The 60s just ruined people. > No > respect for decorum. [....] > WA schoolgirls to mind their manners > 11:44 AEST Sat Sep 17 2005 > AAP > Teaching young ladies the finer points of etiquette and personal grooming > will > fill a gap in the state's school curriculum, the West A ...

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Author:	Marvin Gandall
Date:	Sun Sep 18 04:55:32 PDT 2005

40 [lbo-talk] Re: Contemporary forms of female self-objectification -- rank: 1000

Dear LOBsters, Our conservatives down here in Oz (officialy titled, "Liberals) think that this "self-objectification" needs to be taught. The 60s just ruined people. No respect for decorum. Regards from Western Australia (WA), Mike B) ********************************************************************************** WA schoolgirls to mind their manners 11:44 AEST Sat Sep 17 2005 AAP Teaching young ladies the finer points of etiquette and personal grooming will fill a gap in the ...

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Author:	Mike Ballard
Date:	Sun Sep 18 03:43:03 PDT 2005

41 [lbo-talk] Re: Contemporary forms of female self-objectification -- rank: 1000

On Saturday, September 17, 2005 6:02 PM [PDT], Brian Charles Dauth <magcomm at ix.netcom.com> wrote: > Dear List: > > Marvin writes: > >> A much more muted and benign form of self-objectification > is the tendency of many progressive feminists to wear lipstick, > perfume, and dye their hair. Now I will quickly put on my > helmet, because whenever Walker (yes, her first name) and I > have chided left-wing women friends about this, the brickbats > have quickl ...

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Author:	Leigh Meyers
Date:	Sat Sep 17 20:49:20 PDT 2005

42 [lbo-talk] Re: Contemporary forms of female self-objectification -- rank: 1000

Dear List: Marvin writes: > A much more muted and benign form of self-objectification is the tendency of many progressive feminists to wear lipstick, perfume, and dye their hair. Now I will quickly put on my helmet, because whenever Walker (yes, her first name) and I have chided left-wing women friends about this, the brickbats have quickly rained down on us. And rightly so. My husband is a progressive feminist,and if he misses his weekly trip to the MAC counter at Henri Bendel they call to ...

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Author:	Brian Charles Dauth
Date:	Sat Sep 17 18:02:39 PDT 2005

43 [lbo-talk] Contemporary forms of female self-objectification -- rank: 1000

good points... if you only look at women you're not gonna get a full picture of these trends. Yes, female olympic athletes might pose in playboy but wasn't there an equivalent controversy of over male athletes doing highly sexualized underwear ads (e.g. some Mets player)? Similar parallels: the rapid rise in teenage boys of body dismorphic disorder and male equivalents to anorexia like obsessive body building; the mainsteaming of gay male self-objectifying imagery in advertising and fashion, &qu ...

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Author:	Adam Souzis
Date:	Sat Sep 17 12:06:51 PDT 2005

44 [lbo-talk] Contemporary forms of female self-objectification -- rank: 1000

Miles Jackson: (I'm not sure what Marvin is advocating here: we all wear > unisex gray Mao jumpsuits?) ------------------ My wife and I usually like to alternate between grey and blue as a concession to capitalist commodification.

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Author:	Marvin Gandall
Date:	Sat Sep 17 10:19:14 PDT 2005

45 [lbo-talk] Contemporary forms of female self-objectification -- rank: 1000

John Adams wrote: > From: Marvin Gandall <marvgandall at videotron.ca> > >> A much more muted and benign form > of self-objectification is the tendency of many progressive feminists to > wear lipstick, perfume, and dye their hair. > > But Marvin, I like to wear cologne, and I keep my nails a little long > because, well, I don't have that many attractive physical attributes but I > do have nice nails. And believe me, if I could get away with dying my > hair- ...

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Author:	Marvin Gandall
Date:	Sat Sep 17 10:14:52 PDT 2005