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91 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

Carrol wrote: The problem with the DP is NOT that "they don't support our whole program." The 'trouble' with the DP is that they constitute the main enemy. I don't 'criticize' them anymore than Churchill 'criticized' Hitler. They (or rather it, the leadership) oppose (quite successfully most of the ...

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Author:	brad
Date:	Tue Jun 14 07:00:33 PDT 2011

92 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

SA: "The evangelical hymn was appropriate, because this is an evangelical approach to politics. It's about saving souls - but who cares about saving souls? Surely, as someone who admires Marx, you can see that businesses can't be brought to be nice to workers through moralism; consumers can't be ...

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Author:	Wojtek S
Date:	Tue Jun 14 06:28:27 PDT 2011

93 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Michael Smith <mjs at smithbowen.net> wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:16:14 -0400 > // ravi <ravi at platosbeard.org> wrote: > > > But still it was a bit of fine art on your part to > > combine friend and foe, by labelling me ...

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Author:	Alan Rudy
Date:	Tue Jun 14 04:29:34 PDT 2011

94 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

----- Original Message ----- From: "Somebody Somebody" <philos_case at yahoo.com> Does anyone seriously suppose that center-left bourgeois politicians being forced from office by conservatives and sexual puritans advances the interests of the working class? Where's the evidence for this assertion? ___________________________________ I haven't heard anyone make such an ...

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Author:	123hop at comcast.net
Date:	Mon Jun 13 20:44:42 PDT 2011

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On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:16:14 -0400 // ravi <ravi at platosbeard.org> wrote: > But still it was a bit of fine art on your part to > combine friend and foe, by labelling me a sociobiologist! :-) I hereby apologize, in the most abject and categorical manner that you could possibly ...

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Author:	Michael Smith
Date:	Mon Jun 13 19:54:27 PDT 2011

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On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:34:20 -0500 Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote: > And the statement that "we should use [the Democrats]" > is unintelligible. Exactly. A fatuous, grandiose pipe-dream. -- -- Michael J. Smith mjs at smithbowen.net http://stopmebeforeivoteagain.org http://www.cars-suck.org http://fakesprogress.blogspot ...

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Author:	Michael Smith
Date:	Mon Jun 13 19:52:17 PDT 2011

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On 6/13/2011 8:57 PM, brad wrote: > Well said SA. I have been trying to politically walk and chew gum > lately when it comes to the Dems. We need to be able to use them when > we can and not just attack them because they don't support our ...

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Author:	Carrol Cox
Date:	Mon Jun 13 19:34:20 PDT 2011

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On Jun 13, 2011, at 9:47 PM, Michael Smith wrote: > It is a source of unfailing amusement to me, how folks who > at noon are deploring the use of personal insults > against the foe are found deploying them at 12:01 against > someone who is more or less on the ...

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Author:	// ravi
Date:	Mon Jun 13 19:16:14 PDT 2011

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Well said SA. I have been trying to politically walk and chew gum lately when it comes to the Dems. We need to be able to use them when we can and not just attack them because they don't support our whole program. Way too much of the lefts time ...

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Author:	brad
Date:	Mon Jun 13 18:57:34 PDT 2011

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On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Michael Smith wrote: > > I really do think that any attachment to the Democratic > Party on the part of Lefties is quite damaging and destructive. Thom Hartmann has been encouraging lefties to join, and take over, their local Democratic Party committees. With little else ...

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Author:	martin schiller
Date:	Mon Jun 13 14:51:29 PDT 2011

101 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:24:28 -0400 SA <s11131978 at gmail.com> wrote: > businesses can't be brought to be nice to workers through moralism; > consumers can't be brought to use less carbon through moralism; and by > the same measure, leftists can't be brought by moralism not ...

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Author:	Michael Smith
Date:	Mon Jun 13 14:39:07 PDT 2011

102 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

On 6/13/2011 3:50 PM, Michael Smith wrote: > But to lapse into uncharacteristic seriousness for just a moment.... > I really do think that any attachment to the Democratic > Party on the part of Lefties is quite damaging and destructive. > There may not be much one can do about it ...

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Author:	SA
Date:	Mon Jun 13 13:24:28 PDT 2011

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On 6/13/2011 2:28 PM, Michael Smith wrote: > ... and besides besides, who gives a shit, apart from > the entertainment value of the thing? *Other* than wallowing in spite for Democrats, what are your politics? I'm just curious. SA ^^^^^ CB: Ditto

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Author:	c b
Date:	Mon Jun 13 13:21:25 PDT 2011

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On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:33:26 -0400 SA <s11131978 at gmail.com> wrote: > But I mean, after a while isn't all the steam blown? Naaah, it seems to be an inexhaustible resource. Geothermal in origin perhaps. But to lapse into uncharacteristic seriousness for just a moment.... I really ...

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Author:	Michael Smith
Date:	Mon Jun 13 12:50:59 PDT 2011

105 [lbo-talk] Weiner unhid! -- rank: 773

On Jun 13, 2011, at 3:33 PM, SA wrote: > after a while isn't all the steam blown? Of course not. Blowing steam often regenerates steam production.

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Jun 13 12:45:42 PDT 2011