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601 Comparing the Clinton regime to the Stalin regime -- rank: 496

"C. G. Estabrook" wrote: > O [In the US] there are dissidents and other information sources. > they are > not severely punished, at least if they are privileged and of the > right color. Whether correctly or not, U.S. authorities (both national and local) regard Black dissidents as more dangerous than white ...

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Author:	Carrol Cox
Date:	Thu Jun 10 15:49:47 PDT 1999

602 Comparing the Clinton regime to the Stalin regime -- rank: 496

Rakesh wrote (with Max's emphasis added): >Jacob, such ethical socialism is the central theme of misty pre Marxian >revolutionary thought. Marxian socialism has an objective foundation. As >Rosa Luxemburg put it: > >"According to Marx, the rebellion of the workers, the class struggle, is >only the ideological reflection of the objective ...

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Author:	Roger Odisio
Date:	Thu Jun 10 17:00:21 PDT 1999

603 [lbo-talk] Stalin, democrat -- rank: 496

Chris Doss Putin was a KGB clerk/functionary for God's sake. He was not a "super-privileged functionary." He probably earned less than I do. ^^^^^ CB: Ah , but he was one of those evil, undemocratic apparatchniks, no ?

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Author:	Charles Brown
Date:	Sun Dec 4 10:27:23 PST 2005

604 Comparing the Clinton regime to the Stalin regime -- rank: 496

Doug, >No argument from me on that. But we - you & I & most of the people on this >list, though not all - live in rich countries with long histories of >bourgeois democracy. It's kind of pointless to talk about Russia in 1917 as >a model for the U.S. in 1999 ...

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Author:	Brett Knowlton
Date:	Thu Jun 10 17:24:20 PDT 1999

605 Comparing the Clinton regime to the Stalin regime -- rank: 496

Doug and Michael, Censorship, self or imposed, is only part of the problem. The real problem is that in the quest for intellectual respectability and the desire to "communicate" require one to position oneself starting in the mainstream and gradually and gently work toward dissent, to avoid being dismissed outright as ...

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Author:	Henry C.K. Liu
Date:	Thu Jun 10 19:04:46 PDT 1999

606 [Fwd: Ceremonies of Innocence, or, a Secret Affinity with theLynchers] -- rank: 469

Brad DeLong overreaches: >Stalin's USSR was not strong enough to be a rogue state in search of >global domination--thank God. > >Where Stalin *was* strong enough, interesting things happened. Go ask >Trotsky, Bukharin, Kollontai, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Radek, Kirov, and >many others whether Stalin was interested in domination or not. > >Tell me what they ... that list. She never broke with, nor was broken by, Stalin once he assumed the power. She served from 1930 to ...

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Author:	jmage at panix.com
Date:	Fri Dec 10 16:33:06 PST 1999

607 Rebuttal of anti-Sovietism -- rank: 469

... no, i'm not really sure of your position on stalin since in >the opening passages of the post you repeat over and again that >people made up lies about stalin's 'alleged crimes' i think was >the phrase. A lot ... I who repeat over and over that people make up Stalin's 'alleged crimes.' And they do. Stalin was, perhaps, like the Khmer Rouge, bad enough without exaggerating ... kicking around number like 10, 20, 30 million killed by Stalin then these are not only 'alleged crimes' - I was being ... faced lies. The myth scampering about these days is that Stalin murdered more than Hitler (maybe they're throwing the ...

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Author:	Charles Brown
Date:	Fri Oct 16 10:49:41 PDT 1998

608 Allies against fascism? -- rank: 469

... actually challenge anything I said that was concrete in critizing Stalin's follies vis a vis Hitler. I might have added ... in the first mad days of the war. In fact, Stalin developed into a tolerable leader after having his (and our ... against the allies in the later days of the war, Stalin was unparalleled. As a military leader, he was no better ...

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Author:	Justin Schwartz
Date:	Fri Nov 3 13:53:47 PST 2000

609 Soviet philosophy -- rank: 469

Soviet philosophy "Justin Schwartz" <jkschw at hotmail.com> Subject: Re: > >CB: Again, there is significant circularity to your argument. You assume >part of what is at issue: that what they were "told to say" had no >validity. It had no validity, ^^^^^ CB: This is circular. It is one of the issues ...

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Author:	Charles Brown
Date:	Tue Feb 26 15:30:30 PST 2002

610 Political Ecology -- rank: 469

If political ecology had not become the preserve of students of divinity and anthropologists, instead of being the embracing and essential discipline it ought to be, I would think of renaming L-I the Political Ecology List and indeed have suggested as much to Hans Ehrbar. But as things are it ...

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Author:	Mark Jones
Date:	Wed Dec 9 14:14:13 PST 1998

611 [lbo-talk] Fwd: [a-list] We Should Not Forget -- rank: 469

... Not Forget > Reply-To: a-list at lists.riseup.net > > Stalin's Soviet Union Defeated Germany > > by Eric Margolis > > http://ericmargolis ...

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Author:	Charles Brown
Date:	Mon May 11 22:22:24 PDT 2015

612 [Fwd: Ceremonies of Innocence, or, a Secret Affinity with theLynchers] -- rank: 469

... think USA monopoly would >>be better to mankind? In fact Stalin's USSR was not a >>"rogue state" in search for global domination... >> >> Alexandre > >Stalin's USSR was not strong enough to be a rogue state in search of >global domination--thank God. > >Where Stalin *was* strong enough, interesting things happened. Go ask >Trotsky, Bukharin, Kollontai, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Radek, Kirov, and >many others whether Stalin was interested in domination or not. > >Tell me what they ... say. > > >Brad DeLong I don't disagree with you that Stalin was a brutal murderer and he is responsible by 10 ... is dwindling by 500000 inhabitants an year), but, at least, Stalin's government achieved high rates of economic g

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Author:	Alexandre Fenelon
Date:	Fri Dec 10 15:56:37 PST 1999

613 Long live the nun- killer! -- rank: 469

An extract from Koba the Dread: Laughter and the Twenty Million by Martin Amis Tuesday September 3, 2002 The Guardian In 1910 a political opponent said of Lenin that you couldn't deal with a man who "for 24 hours of the day is taken up with the revolution, who has ...

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Author:	Michael Pugliese
Date:	Wed Sep 4 10:12:32 PDT 2002

614 [lbo-talk] Re: theism, atheism and dont give a fuckism -- rank: 469

Actually I'm a Menshevik. I think Trotsky was an ass. Nice dresser though. The Bolshies had fashion sense if nothing else. I completely agree with you that Russians are concerned, except for a few intellectuals, with daily affairs and quality of living, not ideologies. I was talking to A. Kondorsky ...

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Author:	Chris Doss
Date:	Thu Jun 2 01:14:01 PDT 2005

615 RES: Kim Jong Il Thinks He's a God-King: Why Ignore It? -- rank: 469

... does he think about >Hobsbawm assertion that the USSR (specifically Stalinīs USSR) saved the >liberal democracies in two senses: by ... because Hobsbawm broke temporal sequence: he moved the discussion of Stalin far away from his narrative of interwar Europe. He did this because he did not focus on Stalin until sometime after 1956. Thus in terms of Hobsbawm's personal experiential timeline, the nature of Stalin's rule falls after successful social-democratic reconstruction in post ... people trying to figure out which is worse, Hitler or Stalin, and to which they should cling as a refuge from ...

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Author:	Brad De Long
Date:	Fri May 26 18:29:00 PDT 2000