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106 [lbo-talk] in which lbo-talk defends 'the sopranos' -- rank: 744

By "didactic" I mean "written in order to provide moral instruction." You're right about the SoS, assuming we take it as a love poem and not as an allegory of the relationship between man and God/Church. --- andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote: > > But is what's good ...

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Author:	Chris Doss
Date:	Wed Oct 6 06:42:34 PDT 2004

107 [lbo-talk] in which lbo-talk defends 'the sopranos' -- rank: 744

But is what's good about the Divine Commedy the didacticism? Do we gain from the story of Fransceso & Paolo the moral, Don't Fornicate, or from Farinat, Pride is Bad? Which is like reading the point of Hamlet as saying Revenge is Bad. That is a dull reading. And so ...

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Author:	andie nachgeborenen
Date:	Wed Oct 6 06:37:59 PDT 2004

108 [lbo-talk] in which lbo-talk defends 'the sopranos' -- rank: 744

andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com>: > > Sure, but we don't have to agree with the morals for > it to be good art. The Illiad holds up an ideal that > we find repugnant. The Divine Comedy is based in > premises most of us reject. Actually, really good > didactic art is ...

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Author:	Chris Doss
Date:	Wed Oct 6 05:18:58 PDT 2004

109 [lbo-talk] in which lbo-talk defends 'the sopranos' -- rank: 744

Justin wrote: > The Divine Comedy is based in > premises most of us reject. "when your longings center on things such that sharing them apportions less to each, then envy stirs the bellows of your sighs. But if the love within the Highest Sphere should turn your longings heavenward, the fear inhabiting ...

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Author:	Ted Winslow
Date:	Wed Oct 6 04:51:22 PDT 2004

110 [lbo-talk] Re: in which lbo-talk defends 'the sopranos' -- rank: 744

>>Careful or you're gonna get whacked. > >Youse best be watchin' how you talk about dis thing of ours, 'cause I >don't know if all dese guys are friends of ours. > >N Paul Childs >5967-157 Avenue >Edmonton, Alberta, Canada O Canada, omerta? Carl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment ...

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Author:	Carl Remick
Date:	Tue Oct 5 21:23:02 PDT 2004

111 [lbo-talk] in which lbo-talk defends 'the sopranos' -- rank: 744

Sure, but we don't have to agree with the morals for it to be good art. The Illiad holds up an ideal that we find repugnant. The Divine Comedy is based in premises most of us reject. Actually, really good didactic art is hard to find. Brecht comes to mind ...

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Author:	andie nachgeborenen
Date:	Tue Oct 5 20:57:30 PDT 2004

112 [lbo-talk] in which lbo-talk defends 'the sopranos' -- rank: 744

----- Original Message ----- From: "andie nachgeborenen" <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> > I have given a great many examples of works of art > that glorify bad values and are considered > transcendent. Or good. Or excellent. I guess I am > frustrated because you don't seem to acknowledge that > possibility -- that a work ...

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Date:	Tue Oct 5 20:31:35 PDT 2004

113 [lbo-talk] Re: in which lbo-talk defends 'the sopranos' -- rank: 744

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114 [lbo-talk] Re: in which lbo-talk defends 'the sopranos' -- rank: 744

Carl Remick wrote: >(I will admit that Tony's transgressive ways have lured me into >feeling completely insouciant about repeat overposting.) Careful or you're gonna get whacked. Doug

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Oct 5 18:22:59 PDT 2004

115 [lbo-talk] Re: in which lbo-talk defends 'the sopranos' -- rank: 744

Dear List: Justin writes: > You don't get it. What's wrong, artistically, with a show that glorifies gangsterism? What is artistically right with it? Art (at least in my view) has a moral purpose -- I know there are those who will argue for "art for art's sake," but to ...

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Author:	BklynMagus
Date:	Tue Oct 5 16:07:15 PDT 2004

116 [lbo-talk] in which lbo-talk defends 'the sopranos' -- rank: 744

At 06:01 PM 10/5/2004, andie nachgeborenen wrote: >(I date myself, right?) well, if'n y'are, then take it slow. this could be the ONE! Kelley "one of the lessons of 1964 that conservatives learned was that it was more important for voters to feel like they were ...

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Author:	snit snat
Date:	Tue Oct 5 15:39:49 PDT 2004

117 [lbo-talk] in which lbo-talk defends 'the sopranos' -- rank: 744

John Thornton wrote: > The impressions I gathered were from students at community college. > Mostly 18 to 24 year olds from working class backgrounds. I guess I'll have > to tell them that the show does not glorify gangsterism the way they > describe. ------------------------------ Gangster envy predates television, and is integral to the ...

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Author:	Marvin Gandall
Date:	Tue Oct 5 13:09:20 PDT 2004

118 [lbo-talk] reviewing the end of the Sopranos... -- rank: 744

On Jun 11, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > And for a show that has always made such great use of music > to end with a Journey song is funny. As a caller to the great Glen Jones Radio Programme on WFMU once put it, "Jonesey, the only guy ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Jun 11 11:14:08 PDT 2007

119 [lbo-talk] reviewing the end of the Sopranos... -- rank: 744

Joanna wrote: >I was NOT happy with the Outer Limits ploy of a black screen for the >last ten seconds. Had to call my sister to ask her what happened. >Thought my TV was on the blink. How stupid! I liked it. What better way to remind you it's a ...

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Author:	Dennis Claxton
Date:	Mon Jun 11 11:08:43 PDT 2007

120 [lbo-talk] key to the Sopranos! -- rank: 744

On 6/16/07, joyce brothers <xenax2 at yahoo.com> wrote: > > I don't do pay tv. I saw this show once a few years > ago. I didn't "get it". But perhaps one viewing was > not enough. Whatever. I find it amusing that this is > a big subject here. And ...

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Author:	Jerry Monaco
Date:	Sat Jun 16 10:13:42 PDT 2007