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3496 [lbo-talk] questions for the fascist-watchers -- rank: 149

On Feb 20, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Marv Gandall wrote: > ... the core consituencies which form the Democratic base will vote > for it anyway because they see it as the party which will defend > their interests, however imperfectly, against the Republicans, who > oppose them. This won't change until the unions ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Sat Feb 20 15:26:03 PST 2010

3497 [lbo-talk] uh-oh! too much regulation!! -- rank: 149

... it is. I agree with Doug when he says, of Nader and others, that they engage in litigation because it's ...

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Author:	Eric Beck
Date:	Tue Feb 2 17:12:31 PST 2010

3498 [lbo-talk] Inside job -- rank: 149

Secondly, Wojtek is just being deliberately ignorant again when he speaks of collusion: this is as silly as 9/11 conspiracism, for it reduces capitalism itself to a conspiracy. And it also makes it impossible to analyze, _politically_ the interrelationships of education, general culture, the interests of specific capitalists (with names ...

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Author:	Chuck Grimes
Date:	Mon Dec 27 15:31:59 PST 2010

3499 [lbo-talk] what's left -- rank: 149

SA: "I wonder how many American communists would be willing to speak of "the necessity of uniting with [the liberal wing of the Democratic Party, let's say] on any possible basis compatible with advancing the interests of workers." [WS:] Keep in mind that there are significant differences in the political ...

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Author:	Wojtek S
Date:	Thu Apr 29 06:00:07 PDT 2010

3500 [lbo-talk] another TP poll: still whiter, righter, more -- rank: 149

Brad wrote: No, liberals believe in the Utopian project of liberal capitalism. The tinkering around is all done on the periphery issues, the capitalism part is not up for debate with most of them.  They will spend endlessly and work tirelessly to make capitalism work. ---------------------------- Let me get this straight, the ...

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Author:	Bhaskar Sunkara
Date:	Thu Apr 15 15:50:05 PDT 2010

3501 [lbo-talk] Let them eat Prozac (was: let's argue about the causeofmental illness -- rank: 149

dude. the writer IS a psychiatrist. the writer isn't making any of these imbecilic claims you fantasize. further, with regard to shag, have you ever noticed that shag's various readings of this or that book has distracted shag from the basic ideas which you valorize here? hmm? is shag ...

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Author:	shag carpet bomb
Date:	Mon Sep 28 17:51:27 PDT 2009

3502 [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats -- rank: 149

i wonder whether being a chaos is any worse ethically or logically, or possibly just a subjective decision. (eg using a coordinate transformation to 'linearize out' the chaos, say, by using a Poincare section (see Gleick's chaos for pictures).      also, some of these may be 'spandrels' or like 'junk DNA ...

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Author:	mart
Date:	Fri Sep 25 05:21:42 PDT 2009

3503 [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats -- rank: 149

On Sep 23, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Marv Gandall wrote: > "Face it. The US political system is plutocracy, not democracy. > Always has been." > ======================== > It's both. We've lived in a world of capitalist states for > centuries. All > have been "plutocratic" instruments of class rule Absolutely not so. All of ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Wed Sep 23 18:35:08 PDT 2009

3504 [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats -- rank: 149

Shane, I do not think you are getting my point. I am not arguing that the US is not a plutocracy, but that merely calling it plutocracy does not reveal systemic factors that perpetuate it, democratic facade notwithstanding. Plantation owners were wiped out as a class, yet the system they created ...

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Author:	Wojtek S
Date:	Wed Sep 23 17:49:27 PDT 2009

3505 [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats -- rank: 149

... to swallow it and eventually to like it. As to Nader. He is a certain kind of materialist; one who sees ...

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Author:	Carrol Cox
Date:	Wed Sep 23 16:46:32 PDT 2009

3506 [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats -- rank: 149

On Sep 23, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Wojtek S wrote: > RE: "Face it. The US political system is plutocracy, not democracy. > Always has been." > > [WS:] I think it is an oversimplification that obscures more than it > reveals.... Its political institutions were created by plantation > owners and businessmen whose overarching objective ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Wed Sep 23 14:28:37 PDT 2009

3507 [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats -- rank: 149

... political system is plutocracy, not democracy. Always has been. Ralph Nader knows that better than anyone, having consistently experienced being denied ...

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Author:	Max B. Sawicky
Date:	Wed Sep 23 14:26:57 PDT 2009

3508 [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats -- rank: 149

RE: "Face it. The US political system is plutocracy, not democracy. Always has been." [WS:] I think it is an oversimplification that obscures more than it reveals. The voice of the rich weighs more than that of the poor in most countries, not just the US. A more peculiar (but certainly ...

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Author:	Wojtek S
Date:	Wed Sep 23 14:05:01 PDT 2009

3509 [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats -- rank: 149

... talk Subject: [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats Ralph Nader loves the (nice) plutocrats: http://bit.ly/khXwn ___________________________________ http://mailman ...

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Author:	mart
Date:	Wed Sep 23 09:39:10 PDT 2009

3510 [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats -- rank: 149

... political system is plutocracy, not democracy. Always has been. Ralph Nader knows that better than anyone, having consistently experienced being denied ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Wed Sep 23 09:38:03 PDT 2009