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16 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 854

... work week? > > Oh no...that would be utopian. > > Mike B) > > >>> andie nachgeborenen > <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> 02/18/2008 > 10:09 PM ...

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Author:	andie nachgeborenen
Date:	Tue Feb 19 18:27:59 PST 2008

17 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 843

>>> andie nachgeborenen The failure to understand the point that value has no meaning outside a generalized commodity economy based on market exchange led the Soviets to some disastrous early economic experiments based on attempting to plan on the basis of value. ^^^ CB: Are you sure about this ? What about the ...

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Author:	Charles Brown
Date:	Thu Feb 14 13:48:38 PST 2008

18 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 822

... Henwood wrote: > > On Feb 12, 2008, at 11:42 AM, andie nachgeborenen wrote: > >> I got into a dispute at a recent Solidarity meeting >> about "unproductive labor," whether labor that does >> not involve production of physical object ... is also the economic function of the governmental apparatus) the unproductive labor involved is accounted for by Marx as part of the ...

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Author:	Shane Mage
Date:	Tue Feb 12 10:35:37 PST 2008

19 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 802

Yeah, I left out all the qualifications, like if it's a car trip, the sale of the case and the (paid) mechanical upkeep of the car), or if it's a plan, similar things and the wages of the pilot. Put in too much detail, forest, trees. I was talking ...

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Author:	andie nachgeborenen
Date:	Tue Feb 12 12:53:28 PST 2008

20 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 802

andie nachgeborenen wrote: > > CAN WE NOT DISCUSS VALUE IN A FUTURE ...

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Author:	Carrol Cox
Date:	Fri Feb 15 17:01:51 PST 2008

21 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 802

This was my point. The comrade was maintaining that only production of physical objects for sale was productive (of SV) and that all paper pushing (in particular), FIRE, accountancy, legal services, was unproductive rent-taking, just shifting around SV created by others. This part of a left over lament about de ...

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Author:	andie nachgeborenen
Date:	Tue Feb 12 11:36:04 PST 2008

22 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 786

On Feb 12, 2008, at 11:42 AM, andie nachgeborenen wrote: > I got into a dispute at a recent Solidarity meeting > about "unproductive labor," whether labor that does > not involve production of physical object ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Tue Feb 12 08:58:18 PST 2008

23 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 776

... 11:08 AM, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote: > > > > > > andie nachgeborenen wrote: > > > > > > One political reason I don't like the ...

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Author:	Carrol Cox
Date:	Wed Feb 13 12:11:47 PST 2008

24 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 760

... 11:08 AM, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote: > > > andie nachgeborenen wrote: > > > > One political reason I don't like the ...

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Author:	Charles Brown
Date:	Wed Feb 13 12:49:30 PST 2008

25 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 760

... Eubulides >>> On Feb 13, 2008 11:08 AM, Carrol Cox > > andie nachgeborenen wrote: > > > > One political reason I don't like the ...

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Author:	Charles Brown
Date:	Wed Feb 13 12:45:31 PST 2008

26 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 760

andie nachgeborenen wrote: > > One political reason I don't like the ...

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Author:	Carrol Cox
Date:	Wed Feb 13 11:08:43 PST 2008

27 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 760

... 11:08 AM, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote: > > > andie nachgeborenen wrote: > > > > One political reason I don't like the ...

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Author:	Eubulides
Date:	Wed Feb 13 11:58:41 PST 2008

28 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 749

At 7:09 PM -0800 18/2/08, andie nachgeborenen wrote: >I give up. No one wants to talk ...

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Author:	Bill Bartlett
Date:	Mon Feb 18 20:57:11 PST 2008

29 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 749

... earthlink.net> wrote: > At 11:36 AM 2/12/2008, andie wrote: > > >The reason a trip to grandma's house is ...

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Author:	Wojtek Sokolowski
Date:	Tue Feb 12 12:18:10 PST 2008

30 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 749

>>> andie nachgeborenen I think that's hogwash, that capital doesn't care where its profits come from, that the logic of surplus extraction is exactly the same in the case of a a waitress, file clerk, junior associate at a big law firm as it is in the case of ...

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Author:	Charles Brown
Date:	Tue Feb 12 13:31:57 PST 2008