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1 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 1000

... to change capitalism, not keep reinterpreting it. Charlie the Moor >>> andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> 02/19/2008 9:27 PM ... work week? > > Oh no...that would be utopian. > > Mike B) > > >>> andie nachgeborenen > <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> 02/18/2008 > 10:09 PM ...

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Author:	Charles Brown
Date:	Wed Feb 20 05:45:47 PST 2008

2 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 968

Andie: 1. Tell me how I could find my old posts ... Search LBO-Talk Archives", type in the following search criteria: andie + "unproductive labor" Results: <http://search.lbo-talk.org/search/swish.cgi?query=andie+%2B+%22unproductive+labor%22&submit=Search%21&metaname=swishdefault&sort ...

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Author:	Dwayne Monroe
Date:	Tue Feb 12 09:13:37 PST 2008

3 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 953

... earthlink.net> wrote: > At 11:36 AM 2/12/2008, andie wrote: > > >The reason a trip to grandma's house is ...

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Author:	Sean Andrews
Date:	Tue Feb 12 12:53:51 PST 2008

4 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 947

... Google is your friend here. Try Googling: "justin schwartz" AND "unproductive labor" I found all kinds of stuff, going as far back as the 1990s. -- andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote: I got into a dispute at a recent Solidarity meeting about "unproductive labor," whether labor that does not involve production of physical object ... I have argued here at various times the the productive/unproductive labor distinction is specious, that any labor the bosses can turn ...

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Author:	farmelantj at juno.com
Date:	Tue Feb 12 09:18:40 PST 2008

5 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 916

So isn't the question "productive of what"? You're right about surplus value (under capitalism - some of these activities would not have been productive of surplus value under other modes of production, and vice versa). But if the counterfactual is a non- surplus-value producing economy (take Schweickart's, if ...

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Author:	Michael McIntyre
Date:	Tue Feb 12 13:08:07 PST 2008

6 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 916

At 11:36 AM -0800 12/2/08, andie nachgeborenen wrote: > The reason a trip to grandma's house ...

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Author:	Bill Bartlett
Date:	Tue Feb 12 15:18:32 PST 2008

7 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 916

We're just talking about capitalism here. The discussion is not scheduled yet. March or April, it will be. --- Michael McIntyre <mcintyremichael at mac.com> wrote: > So isn't the question "productive of what"? You're > right about > surplus value (under capitalism - some of these > activities would not > have been productive ...

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Author:	andie nachgeborenen
Date:	Tue Feb 12 13:45:35 PST 2008

8 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 890

-----Original Message----- From: andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> I give up. No one wants ... Ian *************** How about shorter work time? But that would be 'unproductive labor'...unproductive of surplus value as Marx pointed out in the ...

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Author:	Mike Ballard
Date:	Tue Feb 19 14:51:25 PST 2008

9 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 890

--- andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote: > And maybe some of the ...

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Author:	Wojtek Sokolowski
Date:	Tue Feb 12 13:44:14 PST 2008

10 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 880

I think Charles is using Soviet categories. --- andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote: > > Can we talk about capitalism ...

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Author:	Chris Doss
Date:	Sat Feb 16 02:02:17 PST 2008

11 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 880

PLEASE Let us stick to the POINT, NOT the form of compensation in a hypothetical furure society, but whether the dostinction makes sense RIGHT NOW HERE IN CAPOITALISM, PLEASE?! Yes. I am sure. Compensation according to labor a nonmarket system CANNOT be computed according to value. Where there is no labor ...

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Author:	andie nachgeborenen
Date:	Thu Feb 14 23:10:47 PST 2008

12 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 854

... work week? Oh no...that would be utopian. Mike B) >>> andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> 02/18/2008 10:09 PM ...

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Author:	Mike Ballard
Date:	Tue Feb 19 15:01:40 PST 2008

13 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 854

Lets talk about how to move out capitalism. Charles >>> andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> 02/18/2008 10:09 PM ...

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Author:	Charles Brown
Date:	Tue Feb 19 06:49:04 PST 2008

14 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 854

-----Original Message----- From: andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> I give up. No one wants ...

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Author:	Eubulides
Date:	Mon Feb 18 19:57:27 PST 2008

15 [lbo-talk] Unproductive labor -- rank: 854

At 1:31 PM -0800 14/2/08, andie nachgeborenen wrote: >Anyway, can we PLEASE stick to the question: does the >distinction between productive and unproductive labor >have meaning IN CAPITALISM, especially advanced >post-industrial finance capitalism ...

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Author:	Bill Bartlett
Date:	Thu Feb 14 14:36:47 PST 2008