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151 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

I was mostly responding to a comment from James Heartfield speaks of conservative "paranoid delusions" and adds: "Once you buy into the exaggerated and absurd fears of the worldwide terrorist conspiracy it gets very hard to abstract yourself from the outright assault on people's rights that follows." On Fri, Apr ...

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Author:	Bhaskar Sunkara
Date:	Fri Apr 9 09:52:37 PDT 2010

152 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

At 09:14 AM 4/9/2010, c b quoted the entire lyrics to a Beatles song Please don't do that again.

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Author:	Dennis Claxton
Date:	Fri Apr 9 09:36:55 PDT 2010

153 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On 09/04/2010 17:09, Bhaskar Sunkara wrote: > You can acknowledge that petit bourgeois utopians > aren't the prime enemy of socialists without pretending that there aren't > international networks of terrorists regularly plotting to mass murder > civilians. Who, exactly, is engaging in such a pretence? -- Richard Seymour Writer and ...

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Author:	Richard Seymour
Date:	Fri Apr 9 09:26:15 PDT 2010

154 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

Sorry to wax Foucauldian, but this word "emancipatory" is not without problems. It assumes that there's some inner essence yearning to breathe free - and that could breathe free, were it not for all those external constraints. Once removed, it would bound about like a newborn lamb. But, really, what does ...

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Author:	c b
Date:	Fri Apr 9 09:14:14 PDT 2010

155 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On 09/04/2010 16:14, Christopher Cutrone wrote: > He said that British special forces were captured in "native" clothing with a bomb in their car. This obviously referred to special forces who were indeed caught with various weapons and explosives, while wearing the clothing of Mahdi militias. > He inferred from ...

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Author:	Richard Seymour
Date:	Fri Apr 9 09:04:37 PDT 2010

156 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

JAMES Heartfield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris C.: "More than 50 years of "Third World" so-called "revolutionary" movements have failed to produce any emancipatory results whatsoever" ^^^^^ Is that something of an overstatement? Having visited both the South Africa and the West Bank and Gaza, I was very impressed with what people had done there ...

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Author:	c b
Date:	Fri Apr 9 08:58:40 PDT 2010

157 [lbo-talk] Mitchel's interview with two Platypus organizers -- rank: 773

Doug Henwood I'd be happy to do that - Bhaskar, you know 'em. Could you invite one or two? But they've written thousands of words of their own stuff, and I still don't get the argument. ^^^^^^^^^ CB: Don't all texts have mulitple meanings ?

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Author:	c b
Date:	Fri Apr 9 08:46:49 PDT 2010

158 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On Apr 9, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Christopher Cutrone wrote: > I publicly interviewed Tariq Ali during the worst period of the Iraq > occupation, and he lied through his teeth, saying that the sectarian- > communalist violence in Iraq, i.e., of the mosque and marketplace > bombings, was not being perpetrated by ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Apr 9 08:37:56 PDT 2010

159 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Christopher Cutrone <ccutrone at speedsite.com>wrote: > More than 50 years of "Third World" so-called "revolutionary" movements > have failed to produce any emancipatory results whatsoever. > Really? Nothing? Decolonization was just epiphenomenal?

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Author:	Matthias Wasser
Date:	Fri Apr 9 08:31:13 PDT 2010

160 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On Apr 9, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Christopher Cutrone wrote: > publicly interviewed Tariq Ali during the worst period of the Iraq > occupation, and he lied through his teeth, saying that the sectarian- > communalist violence in Iraq, i.e., of the mosque and marketplace > bombings, was not being perpetrated by the ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Apr 9 07:42:20 PDT 2010

161 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:01 AM, JAMES Heartfield wrote: > Chris C.: > > "More than 50 years of "Third World" so-called "revolutionary" > movements > have failed to produce any emancipatory results whatsoever" > > Is that something of an overstatement? Having visited both the South > Africa > and the West Bank and Gaza, I ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Apr 9 07:13:12 PDT 2010

162 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

Chris C.: "More than 50 years of "Third World" so-called "revolutionary" movements have failed to produce any emancipatory results whatsoever" Is that something of an overstatement? Having visited both the South Africa and the West Bank and Gaza, I was very impressed with what people had done there in straitened ...

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Author:	JAMES Heartfield
Date:	Fri Apr 9 07:01:18 PDT 2010

163 [lbo-talk] US Civil War (was Platypus etc) -- rank: 773

Come to think of it, German unification and its effects as described by Engels would have been hugely progressive. As Yugoslavs are backward peoples destined to be snuffed out by the inexorable wave of progress brought by the superior Germans, there would have been no Yugolavs, hence no Yugoslavia, and hence ...

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Author:	Chris Doss
Date:	Fri Apr 9 02:12:28 PDT 2010

164 [lbo-talk] US Civil War (was Platypus etc) -- rank: 773

Imperial Russia is still a power in Europe. It just has a different name and socioeconomic system. And Germany in the sense in which someone in the 1800s e.g. Marx would have understood the term is not united. Leaving out Austria, lots of parts of it are in Poland and ...

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Author:	Chris Doss
Date:	Fri Apr 9 00:33:27 PDT 2010

165 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

While I agree with you about 75%, I think you are effacing the difference between the "Islamist terrorist conspiracy" (which was probably just a poor choice of words), that is, terrorism done by people with various forms of radical and/or fundamentalist Islamist ideology, and the various forms of violence done ...

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Author:	Chris Doss
Date:	Thu Apr 8 20:37:51 PDT 2010