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136 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

Julio Huato wrote: > Christopher Cutrone wrote: > >> More than 50 years of "Third World" so-called "revolutionary" >> movements have failed to produce any emancipatory results >> whatsoever. > > Wow.  "Revolutionary" (in quotes) and no "emancipatory results whatsoever." > > Seriously, I applaud your ambitious effort to sort out the totality of > the experience of the left ...

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Author:	Julio Huato
Date:	Fri Apr 9 13:24:20 PDT 2010

137 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: but leaving that aside, what's your take on the post-war occupations of >> Germany and (especially) Japan? The analyses through which some Marxists >> frown on them, while cheering on Reconstruction, have always boggled my ...

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Author:	Joseph Catron
Date:	Fri Apr 9 13:20:54 PDT 2010

138 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On Apr 9, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: > "Evil" is one of those words I think always confuses more than it > clarifies, I don't literally mean "evil," which invokes Satan and all that stuff. How's very damaging, exploitative, murderous? > but leaving that aside, what's your ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Apr 9 13:09:23 PDT 2010

139 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On Apr 9, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Christopher Cutrone wrote: > Except there's no smear: Ali said what I said he said. It may be to > some, as Henwood says, uncontroversial, but I think what Ali said > should be treated as controversial. That's my point, to not accept > it ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Apr 9 13:08:11 PDT 2010

140 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

Christopher Cutrone wrote: > More than 50 years of "Third World" so-called "revolutionary" > movements have failed to produce any emancipatory results > whatsoever. Wow. "Revolutionary" (in quotes) and no "emancipatory results whatsoever." Seriously, I applaud your ambitious effort to sort out the totality of the experience of the left in world history ...

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Author:	Julio Huato
Date:	Fri Apr 9 12:52:51 PDT 2010

141 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote: Actually, on further thought, I'm not sure I have some "principled" > opposition to imperialism, in some rigid, a priori sense. It does seem to be > an empirical fact, however, that every U.S. military ...

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Author:	Joseph Catron
Date:	Fri Apr 9 12:51:02 PDT 2010

142 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On Apr 9, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote: > At 11:06 AM 4/9/2010, Christopher Cutrone wrote: > > >> Ali said what I said he said. > > > How about clearing things up with a transcript? Or give us exactly > where he said it on the taped interview. Listen to the ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Fri Apr 9 12:49:16 PDT 2010

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At 11:52 AM 4/9/2010, Richard Seymour wrote: > > Except there's no smear: Ali said what I said he said. > >No, he did not. This has been pointed out to you. The Youtube clips >are available for everyone to see, particularly parts 8 and 9: I just watched both ...

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Author:	Dennis Claxton
Date:	Fri Apr 9 12:46:53 PDT 2010

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Doug Henwood wrote: > > Sorry to wax Foucauldian, but this word "emancipatory" is not without > problems. It assumes that there's some inner essence yearning to > breathe free - and that could breathe free, were it not for all those > external constraints. Once removed, it would bound about like a > newborn lamb. But ...

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Author:	Miles Jackson
Date:	Fri Apr 9 12:36:40 PDT 2010

145 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On 09/04/2010 19:06, Christopher Cutrone wrote: > Except there's no smear: Ali said what I said he said. No, he did not. This has been pointed out to you. The Youtube clips are available for everyone to see, particularly parts 8 and 9: http://www.youtube.com/watch ...

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Author:	Richard Seymour
Date:	Fri Apr 9 11:52:01 PDT 2010

146 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

On Fri, April 9, 2010 6:38 am, Christopher Cutrone wrote: > More than 50 years of "Third World" so-called "revolutionary" movements > have failed to produce any emancipatory results whatsoever. There were plenty of failures, but also successes. Independence was a good thing, ending colonialism was a good thing -- the social ...

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Author:	dredmond at efn.org
Date:	Fri Apr 9 11:50:21 PDT 2010

147 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

At 11:06 AM 4/9/2010, Christopher Cutrone wrote: >Ali said what I said he said. How about clearing things up with a transcript? Or give us exactly where he said it on the taped interview.

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Author:	Dennis Claxton
Date:	Fri Apr 9 11:14:41 PDT 2010

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On 09/04/2010 17:52, Bhaskar Sunkara wrote: > I was mostly responding to a comment from James Heartfield speaks of > conservative "paranoid delusions" and adds: "Once you buy into the > exaggerated and absurd fears of the worldwide terrorist conspiracy it gets > very hard to abstract yourself from the outright assault ...

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Author:	Richard Seymour
Date:	Fri Apr 9 10:22:12 PDT 2010

149 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

At 08:14 AM 4/9/2010, Christopher Cutrone wrote: >My point is not to vilify Ali Right. Saying he's lying through his teeth is not vilification. >. There's a lot of posturing, but nothing of political substance. Physician heal thyself.

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Author:	Dennis Claxton
Date:	Fri Apr 9 10:08:30 PDT 2010

150 [lbo-talk] Platypus: what we are, what we do, and why -- rank: 773

At 09:52 AM 4/9/2010, Bhaskar Sunkara wrote: >I was mostly responding to a comment from James Heartfield speaks of >conservative "paranoid delusions" and adds: "Once you buy into the >exaggerated and absurd fears of the worldwide terrorist conspiracy it gets >very hard to abstract yourself from the outright ...

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Author:	Dennis Claxton
Date:	Fri Apr 9 09:59:28 PDT 2010