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76 [lbo-talk] Bulletin of Atomic Scientists -- rank: 1000

On May 7, 2006, at 9:41 AM, Doug Henwood wrote: > Marta Russell wrote: > > >>> China's consumption may be increasing 3 times faster than the US, >>> maybe more, I'd have to look it up but >>> they don't use anywhere near what the US does. The US uses 4 >>> times as much as China. >>> >>> John Thornton >>> >>> >> >> >> But isn't the point that they will eventually use as much given >> their po ...

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77 [lbo-talk] Bulletin of Atomic Scientists -- rank: 1000

On May 7, 2006, at 9:55 AM, Doug Henwood wrote: > Marta Russell wrote: > > >> euthanasia >> > > By the way, in any campaign for population reduction, you knwo who > would be the first as marked for elimination, right? The sick and > disabled. > > Doug Yes, of course, history tells us that, but I am not advocating for any such thing as "population reduction" in the sense of knocking people off. Never said that, never implied that. Marta ------ ...

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78 [lbo-talk] Bulletin of Atomic Scientists -- rank: 1000

On May 6, 2006, at 8:29 PM, Doug Henwood wrote: > Gar Lipow wrote: > > >> Just to emphasize what you are saying; the U.S. with ~5% of the >> worlds population consumes about 23% of the world's energy. >> > > So if we were to approach this as a population problem, if we got > it back to about 65 million (where it was in 1892), we'd be in > balance! > > Doug You must be for euthanasia Doug. That's about as fair a shot as you gave me. Marta ---------- ...

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79 [lbo-talk] Bulletin of Atomic Scientists -- rank: 1000

On May 6, 2006, at 7:48 PM, Gar Lipow wrote: > On 5/6/06, jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net <jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> they don't use anywhere near what the US does. The US uses 4 times >> as much as China. >> >> John Thornton >> ___________________________________ >> http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk >> >> > > Just to emphasize what you are saying; the U.S. with ~5% of the > worlds population consumes ...

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80 [lbo-talk] Bulletin of Atomic Scientists -- rank: 1000

On May 6, 2006, at 7:16 PM, jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net wrote: > On 6 May 2006 at 21:13, ravi wrote: > > >> At around 6/5/06 6:43 pm, Doug Henwood wrote: >> > > >>> No it's a serious point. The population of the earth is 6 >>> billion, and >>> there's nothing we can do more quickly than a decade to get that >>> down >>> even a bit. If you believe climate change is urgent, then >>> something must >>> be done r ...

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81 [lbo-talk] Doing the math -- rank: 1000

On May 6, 2006, at 5:52 PM, Doug Henwood wrote: > John Adams wrote: > > >> A more reasonable version, which one of those dear friends put >> into a non-unreadable novel, is for each couple to have only one >> child. >> > > That's fine with me, but having one has made me a lot fonder of the > young of our species. Like you, I couldn't handle two or more, but > just having some distant collective claim to 1/10 of a child would > depress me, and I thi ...

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82 [lbo-talk] Doing the math -- rank: 1000

On May 6, 2006, at 5:45 PM, John Adams wrote: > On May 6, 2006, at 5:19 PM, Marta Russell wrote: > > >> On May 6, 2006, at 3:13 PM, John Adams wrote: >> >> >>> On May 6, 2006, at 5:04 PM, Marta Russell wrote: >>> >>> >>>> As my friend who IS a lefty here in LA says the world needs to >>>> realize that at this point we need a ratio of 10 adults per one >>>> child. He's done the math over years of study. > ...

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83 [lbo-talk] Doing the math -- rank: 1000

On May 6, 2006, at 5:52 PM, Doug Henwood wrote: > John Adams wrote: > > >> A more reasonable version, which one of those dear friends put >> into a non-unreadable novel, is for each couple to have only one >> child. >> > > That's fine with me, but having one has made me a lot fonder of the > young of our species. Like you, I couldn't handle two or more, but > just having some distant collective claim to 1/10 of a child would > depress me, and I thi ...

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Date:	Sun May 7 08:43:49 PDT 2006

84 [lbo-talk] Doing the math -- rank: 1000

On May 6, 2006, at 3:13 PM, John Adams wrote: > On May 6, 2006, at 5:04 PM, Marta Russell wrote: > > >> As my friend who IS a lefty here in LA says the world needs to >> realize that at this point we need a ratio of 10 adults per one >> child. He's done the math over years of study. >> > > For how long do we need that? Thank you for a civilized question. I don't know the answer. Brian is working on a paper which he hopes to publish. I could ask him ne ...

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85 [lbo-talk] Bulletin of Atomic Scientists -- rank: 1000

On May 6, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Doug Henwood wrote: > Marta Russell wrote: > > >> If one cannot see the need for population control after reading >> this, well its hopeless LBOsters. >> > > I'd say emissions control is more urgent, unless we want to do away > with a few billion people. Emissions control and population growth slow down are both necessary. > I thought you opposed euthanasia. Oh man, who said anything about "doing away with a few billion pe ...

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86 [lbo-talk] Bulletin of Atomic Scientists -- rank: 1000

On May 6, 2006, at 10:44 AM, Michael Pollak wrote: > > That's a non sequitur, Martha. If population leveled tomorrow, but > we left our energy patterns unchanged, we'd still boil in our own > juice. Conversely, if we do nothing about population growth (which > on current trends is projected to level off at 9 in 2050 IIRC) but > drastically change our energy patterns, we'll be okay. Global > warming is scary and might be literally apocalyptic but it's got > nothing to do ...

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87 [lbo-talk] Bulletin of Atomic Scientists -- rank: 1000

If one cannot see the need for population control after reading this, well its hopeless LBOsters. marta Bulletin of Atomic Scientists July/August 2000, Volume 56, No. 4 Energy 2050 By Steve Fetter Although the evidence for human-induced global warming is still the subject of intense debate, the majority of the world's climate researchers believe that the process is well under way. http://www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art_ofn=ja00fetter

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88 [lbo-talk] jobs for the disabled & microenterprises -- rank: 1000

On May 2, 2006, at 1:20 PM, Jim Devine wrote: > > right. the employers need education & pressure. > -- > Jim Devine / "There can be no real individual freedom in the presence > of economic insecurity." -- Chester Bowles The ADA was not followed up with Affirmative Action like the civil rights movement of the 60s was. Since there were and continue to be so many Repugnants in influence in the disability movement, affirmative action was a dirty word and not pushed a ...

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89 [lbo-talk][Shiavo and Eastwood [was Immigration and Disability] -- rank: 1000

I guess it was a case of hit and run. Marta On May 1, 2006, at 9:18 AM, Marta Russell wrote: > Hi Anne, > > While you are on the list it would be nice for you to share your > views about Terri Schiavo and Clint Eastwood's film, "Million > Dollar Baby." > > best, > Marta > > > On Apr 29, 2006, at 10:32 AM, anniedigit at mindspring.com wrote: > >> I have not been part of this list in the past; I joined >> specifically so that I could re ...

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90 [lbo-talk] jobs for the disabled & microenterprises -- rank: 1000

On May 2, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Jim Devine wrote: > > Marta Russell wrote: > >> >> Programs to create jobs for disabled help only fraction >> >> By Kathy Kiely, USA TODAY, October 20, 2005 >> >> WASHINGTON Two programs established nearly 70 years ago to create >> jobs >> for the disabled have made millions of dollars for a handful of >> companies >> but helped only a fraction of those who were supposed to benefit, a >> Sena ...

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