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376 [lbo-talk] Shiavo "Forbidden video" -- rank: 1000

>Gary Williams wrote: >Anyhow, Sue Rodriguez petitioned the government for the right to end >her own life. But who shows up to stop her? Precisely the same >groups. The Anti-abortion crowd came up and got the "Persons With >Disabilities" activists riled up with the same rhetoric (You're >next!) and we had a circus identical to the one in Florida. Many of >the players names were the same. I wouldn't doubt if Marta was >there. She certainly heard about it. I did n ...

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377 [lbo-talk] Shiavo "Forbidden video" -- rank: 1000

> >WKiernan wrote: > > For many of us the Schaivo case was only an interesting debate topic; >> Marta Russell sees it literally as a matter of life-and-death. I think >> Marta believes it it is a small step from the authorities pulling the >> feeding tube on Terri Schiavo, for whatever reasons they did so, to >> those same authorities doing away with Marta Russell because it has >> become too costly to some hospital corporation to keep her alive. ...

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378 [lbo-talk] "Dual Eligibles" was Shiavo "Forbidden video" -- rank: 1000

>WKiernan wrote: >Now that this topic is in the public's eye, I'd like to see >defenders of Michael Schiavo turn and attack the obscene cruelty of >the Texas "Futile Care Act" in particular, and the inhumanity of the >U.S.A.'s for-profit health care system in general. In the richest >country in the history of mankind, for a hospital company to allow >Marta Russell or someone like her to die just because she hasn't >enough money to pay their extortionate bills, ...

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379 [lbo-talk] Shiavo "Forbidden video" -- rank: 1000

>On Apr 9, 2005, at 12:49 PM, Marta Russell wrote: > >>I'm off this thread. > >Can't say as I blame you, but I do have a question: Did I do a fair >job of figuring out where you're coming from on this? As I said, >while I don't agree with you, I don't think your position is >unreasonable or irrational, just one with which I don't agree. > >All the best, > > John A Yes, you did, and I thank you. Marta --

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Date:	Sat Apr 9 10:19:52 PDT 2005

380 [lbo-talk] Shiavo "Forbidden video" -- rank: 1000

Kelly wrote: >>John A was defending you against Dawson's personal insults. He >>doesn't think you're irrational. He doesn't think you're "barkingly >>irrational". He hasn't said anyone's irrational and, in fact, gave >>a pretty decent rendering of what I, at least, thought you'd been >>talking about. Good grief. Can you read? I did not say that John A said it : I wrote: >>Dawson wrote "barkingly irrational" as an adjective to describe me. ...

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381 [lbo-talk] Shiavo "Forbidden video" -- rank: 1000

> > > On Apr 8, 2005, at 11:49 PM, Michael Dawson wrote: >> >> > Even if one disagrees with that, it can't help Marta that she's so >> > barkingly >> > irrational about this. >> >> I disagree with her, but I have a question for you: If your argument is >> so strong, how come you have to stoop to insults like 'barkingly >> irrational'? >> >> Even though I think you're closer to the truth than she is here, you're ...

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382 [lbo-talk] Shiavo "Forbidden video" -- rank: 1000

>Miles wrote: >John, you're wasting your breath. Marta's not interested in the facts of >the case; she's intent on repeating the antiabortion nutso talking points >on this. I just don't get it. Your an ass. I never mentioned abortion. Did it ever occur to you that as a woman I might have HAD an abortion. Get real. Marta --

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383 [lbo-talk] Shiavo "Forbidden video" -- rank: 1000

> >No, the joke is that you're willing to squander your credibility about >disability like this. No doctor in the world is going to order a feeding >tube be put into somebody who can eat on their own in a case like this. >That would bring on a massive malpractice judgment. It slays me how you can make such a statement not having studied the issue. It happened in the Christine Busalacchi case where her father had the feeding tube inserted when the nurses had been feeding her with ...

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Date:	Fri Apr 8 15:42:21 PDT 2005

384 [lbo-talk] Shiavo "Forbidden video" -- rank: 1000

>Ravi wrote: > > And it also said: >> >> "Schiavo's husband, Michael, who wanted to withhold tube feeding after a >> few years of unsuccessful therapy, had the legal advantage early on. A >> malpractice verdict gave him $300,000 and her $700,000, and he was >> guardian of her money. The Schindlers, people of modest means, had only >> recently paid off a federal tax lien on their Gulfport condominium. >> >> Michael Schiavo, as g ...

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Date:	Fri Apr 8 13:01:31 PDT 2005

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> > Terri was able to swallow, she actually did >> not need the feeding tube. Michael Schiavo saw to it that she was >> put on one because the way to end her life was to claim she was on >> "life support >> Marta > >Then why did she die? Is this a joke? Because no one gave her water or food. It was ordered by the court. Marta --

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386 [lbo-talk] Shiavo "Forbidden video" -- rank: 1000

> >The issue is that this country is on the verge of being taken over by >christo-fascism and its business supporters - and those efforts must be >resisted by any means necessary. Debating the merits of fascist claims in >cases like Schiavo's is similar to debating, during the Nazi takeover of >Europe, whether, say, the Rotchilds were capitalist swine. They probably >were and should have been criticized in different times, but in the 1920s >and 1930s any such criticism ...

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387 [lbo-talk] Shiavo "Forbidden video" -- rank: 1000

>Doug wrote: >And in case people didn't follow that link here's what it says: > And it also said: "Schiavo's husband, Michael, who wanted to withhold tube feeding after a few years of unsuccessful therapy, had the legal advantage early on. A malpractice verdict gave him $300,000 and her $700,000, and he was guardian of her money. The Schindlers, people of modest means, had only recently paid off a federal tax lien on their Gulfport condominium. Michael Schiavo, as guardian, could p ...

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388 [lbo-talk] How Terri Schiavo became big news -- rank: 1000

Dawson wrote: > >Cockburn just wants to get stoned and chase girls... This is low-down slander and Doug you should not allow it. Marta --

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389 [lbo-talk] Shiavo "Forbidden video" -- rank: 1000

>Marta Russell wrote: > >>And I'll say once more that the trial wasn't fair. If it were a >>criminal on death row you would have less of a bias towards the >>"justice" system. > >Many - mabye close to all - the convicts on death row had crappy >legal representation. I don't think that's true in this case. > >Doug Breaking my 3 post limit and this will be the last -- As I understand it, it is true. The Schindlers did not have the money to pay for ...

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390 [lbo-talk] Re: How Terri Schiavo became big news -- rank: 1000

>Brian Dauth wrote: > >There is no state interest in letting her die. > >There is no state interest in being a busybody. > Because society is not educated about disability and retains biases, it is the duty of the state to act in the disabled individual's interest and protect them. There is an organized resistance composed of people with disabilities to counter the elimination of the disposable in this country. And this is my 3 post limit for the day. marta --

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