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286 [lbo-talk] Shaivo finale on my part (for real) -- rank: 1000
> >You make it sound like he just woke up one day and said "hey wait a >minute, now I remember, >she didn't want to live this way" which is totally bogus. He has >been saying the same thing >since day one. >John Thornton prove it. Marta --
Document Size: 4952
Author: Marta Russell
Date: Fri Mar 25 10:13:35 PST 2005
287 [lbo-talk] Shaivo finale on my part (for real) -- rank: 1000
> > > > He published my piece on the dirty deeds of Jack Kevorkian - i.e., >> >> ridding the world of cripples is a good idea to JK. >> >> Marta >> > >> >Show me evidence Kevorkian believes euthanizing cripples against >> >their will is one of his >> >beliefs. I don't claim to know much about him but I'm not going to >> >accept the above statement >> >without proof. >> > >> > ...
Document Size: 8563
Author: Marta Russell
Date: Fri Mar 25 10:07:01 PST 2005
288 [lbo-talk] Shaivo finale on my part (for real) -- rank: 1000
>Marta Russell wrote: >> >>There is no evidence that is what Terri expressed. It is what her >>husband (who has a new family now and will not give her a divorce) >>claims she wants and her parents differ. I agree with Nat Hentoff >>on this. The evidence is not there. The court ruled without >>sufficient evidence. They make mistakes, ask some death row >>inmates. > >My understanding is that 3 people - the husband and 2 other family >membe ...
Document Size: 5889
Author: Marta Russell
Date: Thu Mar 24 18:58:39 PST 2005
289 [lbo-talk] Shaivo finale on my part (for real) -- rank: 1000
>>>Kelley wrote: > >But, apparently, Marta thinks this means that he wants to off people >against their will and that anyone who disagrees with her should be >likened to Kervorkian or Nazis. I remember now how you like to get in cat fights. You provoke, not discuss. My communication with you is OVER and it will be for as long as I am on this listserve. Marta --
Document Size: 5062
Author: Marta Russell
Date: Thu Mar 24 18:56:09 PST 2005
290 [lbo-talk] Shaivo finale on my part (for real) -- rank: 1000
> > > Marta wrote: >> Some of us don't see a feeding tube as a machine- undesirable at all >> cost. I've had very close friends who have used respirators and been >> Executive Directors. Harriet Johnson, a disabled lawyer who was >> interviewed by Aaron Brown last night about the Shiavo case is very >> close to not being able to swallow anymore. She is still practicing >> law and writing books, etc. She will still be doing her thing when &g ...
Document Size: 10293
Author: Marta Russell
Date: Thu Mar 24 18:08:45 PST 2005
291 [lbo-talk] Shaivo finale on my part (for real) -- rank: 1000
> > He published my piece on the dirty deeds of Jack Kevorkian - i.e., >> ridding the world of cripples is a good idea to JK. >> Marta > >Show me evidence Kevorkian believes euthanizing cripples against >their will is one of his >beliefs. I don't claim to know much about him but I'm not going to >accept the above statement >without proof. > >John Thornton see Counterpunch, Vol. 7, #9 Kevorkian's Written Statement to the Court (August, 1990, cited in S ...
Document Size: 5639
Author: Marta Russell
Date: Thu Mar 24 17:55:52 PST 2005
292 [lbo-talk] Shaivo finale on my part (for real) -- rank: 1000
>Kelley wrote: > >Under my terms, she had expressed the desire not to be kept alive by >a machine under those particular conditions. She should have thr >right to do that, just as blind kids should have a right not to have >corrective eye surgery forced on them. There is no evidence that is what Terri expressed. It is what her husband (who has a new family now and will not give her a divorce) claims she wants and her parents differ. I agree with Nat Hentoff on this. The evid ...
Document Size: 11271
Author: Marta Russell
Date: Thu Mar 24 17:39:41 PST 2005
293 [lbo-talk] Shaivo finale on my part (for real) -- rank: 1000
>At 01:30 PM 3/24/2005, C. G. Estabrook wrote: >>It seems to me that Marta is right on this matter. What I don't quite >>understand is the connection to abortion. Many people opposed to abortion >>seem to agree with the "disabled activists who are fighting to save >>Terri's life," while many pro-"choice" people seem complacent with the >>notion of her starving to death. The latter group seem like the Clinton >>whom Alex Cockburn descri ...
Document Size: 6533
Author: Marta Russell
Date: Thu Mar 24 14:37:02 PST 2005
294 [lbo-talk] Shaivo finale on my part (for real) -- rank: 1000
He published my piece on the dirty deeds of Jack Kevorkian - i.e., ridding the world of cripples is a good idea to JK. Marta >The situation was/is ugly, not the remark, which as the impeachment showed >was nothing more than the simple truth. And I'd say that Counterpunch and >Cockburn are pretty good on unfashionable victims -- e.g., his recent >references there to Wypijewski's reporting on the Shanley case. --CGE > > >On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Doug Henwood wrote: > >> ...
Document Size: 6714
Author: Marta Russell
Date: Thu Mar 24 14:17:52 PST 2005
295 [lbo-talk] Schiavo: case closed, sez WashPost -- rank: 1000
> Why should this man be put through the > horror of believing he is in a concentration camp? Wasn't once > enough? We know he isn't in one but, since he truly believes he is, > he is suffering as much mental anguish as if he were. Why do we have > this squeamishness over killing people like this? I suppose this would mean that it would've been perfectly acceptable to kill lots of people when they had bad enough post-traumatic stress to believe they were still in an instituti ...
Document Size: 5609
Author: Marta Russell
Date: Wed Mar 23 14:27:53 PST 2005
296 [lbo-talk] Shaivo finale on my part (for real) -- rank: 1000
Carl -- I am not in Florida and I really haven't followed the intricate details of the Shiavo case to know what the truth is re Terri's inabilities or abilities. But I will offer this in defense of all the disabled activists who are fighting to save Terri's life. (For regular updates, go to http://terrisfight.org/ ) The following is an excerpt from my book Beyond Ramps. It may give some insight as to why 17 (and perhaps more by now) major disability rights organizations are against Terri bein ...
Document Size: 11224
Author: Marta Russell
Date: Tue Mar 22 18:21:51 PST 2005
297 [lbo-talk] Schiavo: case closed, sez WashPost -- rank: 1000
>Washington Post - March 22, 2005 > >Medical, Ethical Questions Largely Decided, Experts Say >By Shankar Vedantam and Rick Weiss > ><..> > >Ronald Cranford, like other doctors who have examined Schiavo, found >that she cannot respond to commands and lacks visual tracking, >essential signs of consciousness. Cranford, a neurologist and >medical ethicist at Hennepin County Medical Center in Minneapolis, >has testified on behalf of Schiavo's husband. > &g ...
Document Size: 7997
Author: Marta Russell
Date: Tue Mar 22 18:15:33 PST 2005
298 [lbo-talk] Schiavo: case closed, sez WashPost -- rank: 1000
>Washington Post - March 22, 2005 > >Medical, Ethical Questions Largely Decided, Experts Say >By Shankar Vedantam and Rick Weiss > ><..> >Ronald Cranford, like other doctors who have examined Schiavo, found >that she cannot respond to commands and lacks visual tracking, >essential signs of consciousness. Cranford, a neurologist and >medical ethicist at Hennepin County Medical Center in Minneapolis, >has testified on behalf of Schiavo's husband. > >&qu ...
Document Size: 8345
Author: Marta Russell
Date: Tue Mar 22 18:07:34 PST 2005
299 [lbo-talk] Re: terri schiavo -- rank: 1000
>On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:03:23 -0800 > > >Yesterday, there was a guy on the radio confirming what my mother > > >has told me, as has a woman who had her mother and MIL in hospice >> >care. People don't really feel a whole lot of pain or hunger when >> >they're dying. They often ask, "Shouldn't I feel hungry?" This is >> >also the case in starvation studies. The body simply shuts down and >> >> >doesn't feel hungry. &g ...
Document Size: 6184
Author: Marta Russell
Date: Tue Mar 22 17:43:48 PST 2005
300 [lbo-talk] Re: terri schiavo -- rank: 1000
I did not write that post. A lawyer wrote it. I stated that at the top of the email. But to answer your question my mother died last year from pulmonary failure at age 74. When she became ill from pneumonia her doctor put her on a respirator and a feeding tube to see if she could get lung function back. I was with her during her stay in ICR. She had made it clear in writing that she did not want to live by "artificial" means and that if she could not come out of the hospital in be ...
Document Size: 11373
Author: Marta Russell
Date: Tue Mar 22 17:16:52 PST 2005
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