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181 [lbo-talk] Dean Baker on immigration -- rank: 1000

On Apr 18, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Jordan Hayes wrote: >> The keener view IMHO is that this overcrowding is desirable >> to the ruling elite because it will run the programs into the >> ground and it will cleanse the population of the most ill >> i.e., most costly. >> > > This sounds like Yogi Bera's "No one eats there anymore, it's too > crowded" ... how can encouraging overcrowding cleanse the > population of the most ill? This is akin to eating u ...

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182 [lbo-talk] Dean Baker on immigration -- rank: 1000

On Apr 18, 2006, at 11:12 AM, John Costello wrote: > > On 4/18/06, Marta Russell <ap888 at lafn.org> wrote: > > With tens of thousands of illegals flooding the country we don't > stand a chance at getting our unemployment rate to improve. That is > just reality. I am looking for justice for disabled people. It > hasn't come. > > I know that the term "disabled" covers a lot of different > disabilities, not just physical disabilities, but neverthele ...

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183 [lbo-talk] Immigration and Federalism -- rank: 1000

On Apr 18, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > > If anything, Marta, cracking down on Latino immigrants and making > California whiter will make it easier for the state and federal > governments to cut health care and other services. Many of them > English-speaking Anglos don't vote with you and they sure don't > demonstrate with you for the Big Welfare State. But many of the > Latinos -- and occasional disaffected Japanese who come here for a > lark :-> -- ...

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184 Immigration and Retirement Re: [lbo-talk] Dean Baker on immigration -- rank: 1000

On Apr 18, 2006, at 10:16 AM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > Marta wrote: > >> What is so wonderful about retaining a national identity? Really? >> >> Doug >> >> How would you like to retire on the Mexican retirement plan -- get >> ziltch? >> > > > How do immigrants prepare for retirement? I'd be very interested in > learning about that. Some of the migrant workers -- say, those who > leave their countries as teenagers and never go back ...

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185 [lbo-talk] Dean Baker on immigration -- rank: 1000

On Apr 18, 2006, at 2:34 AM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > Marta wrote: > >> Let those able bodied >> immigrants have the jobs cause they are a whole lot less trouble than >> dealing with a deaf, blind or otherwise disabled employee???? >> > > > If you accept the logic of capitalism, there is no denying that > able-bodied immigrant workers are more attractive to employers than > disabled American-born workers, even if immigrant workers didn't speak > E ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 18 10:32:44 PDT 2006

186 [lbo-talk] Dean Baker on immigration -- rank: 1000

On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:12 PM, Miles Jackson wrote: > > > Man, I gotta agree with Doug about this. I respect all the > political work and consciousness-raising that Marta has done, but > like Marta's take on the Schiavo mess, file this under "fucked up". Yeah Miles what have you done lately to make sure that people on Medicaid get the medical care that they need? I don't see any of you DOING anything to fix things then you whine when a disabled person resents that th ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 18 10:16:51 PDT 2006

187 [lbo-talk] share rental and SSI housing need -- rank: 1000

A message like dozens I get here: "I'm trapped barely able to get anything done and my landlord has sent an eviction note to me to be out by the end of the month. It's a share rental and I'm getting SSI only and cannot get an apartment so I have limited "rights" and options. Frankly I'm screwed and from all the crying I did before for help there isn't much of any for me. ----------------------- San Rafael (Marin County), CA USA Marta

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Date:	Tue Apr 18 09:37:35 PDT 2006

188 [lbo-talk] Dean Baker on immigration -- rank: 1000

On Apr 17, 2006, at 7:48 PM, joanna wrote: > As an immigrant and the daughter of immgrants, I'd like to address > a couple of issues: > > Immigrants and the work ethic. > > I don't know of a single immigrant who does not work their ass off. > If you're the kid of immigrants, you absorb a daily mantra of work, > work, work, work. Work in school, work at work, work, work, work. > This is also necessary because a lot of immigrants come over with > just the clothes on t ...

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189 [lbo-talk] Dean Baker on immigration -- rank: 1000

On Apr 17, 2006, at 7:36 PM, Doug Henwood wrote: > Mike Ballard wrote: > > >> How can a >> government remain a national entity >> > > What is so wonderful about retaining a national identity? Really? > > Doug How would you like to retire on the Mexican retirement plan -- get ziltch? The problem with this list is that you are able bodied people who can work and haven't had the experience of being pushed out of the labor force permanently. You don't seem ...

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190 [lbo-talk] Dean Baker on immigration -- rank: 1000

On Apr 17, 2006, at 6:37 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > > We can't operate on the only _fundamental_ assumption of our politics > most of the time, the world being complicated and all. > > but on this issue we can. It's not complicated at all. > > There are only two categories of people in the world: > > 1) Workers and their allies. > > 2) Capitalists and their allies. > > The immigrants are all workers. > > Nuf said. > > Carrol What about the disabled ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 18 09:18:49 PDT 2006

191 [lbo-talk] Dean Baker on immigration -- rank: 1000

On Apr 17, 2006, at 6:13 PM, Wendy Lyon wrote: > >> I don't like it. That >> is my personal feeling and I am entitled to it. >> > > Of course you are but don't pretend it isn't xenophobia. By the way, > you live in LA, right? By your own logic shouldn't you be speaking > Spanish, if not one of the Native American languages of the Southwest > region? > Xenophobia is a fear or contempt for strangers. I do not have any fear or contempt for the immigrants ...

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192 [lbo-talk] Dean Baker on immigration -- rank: 1000

On Apr 17, 2006, at 2:16 PM, Doug Henwood wrote: > Marta Russell wrote: > > >> Did Douglas Massey think about disabled unemployment rate of 70%? >> I find that most sociologists completely leave out the impact of >> policy on the disabled population. >> > > So you're saying that immigrants steal jobs from native born people > with disabilities? This is certainly a fresh take on pitting the > oppressed against the oppressed. I thought you were a Marxis ...

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193 [lbo-talk] Dean Baker on immigration -- rank: 1000

The MediCal doctors do not get paid much. I think it was about $30 per visit, something ridiculously low and now it is lower. I don't have the exact numbers at my fingertips. MediCal generally negotiates for better rates on prescription drugs and most everything it will pay for. As I understand it the biggest problem is growth in the numbers of persons on MediCal and the lack of the state being willing to spend more to accommodate them while the feds cut back the entire Medicaid budget ...

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194 [lbo-talk] Dean Baker on immigration -- rank: 1000

On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:15 AM, Doug Henwood wrote: > Marta Russell wrote: > > >> Not in my neighborhood. They are middle age people. "On balance >> in contributing to the fisc" doesn't really mean anything to me. >> I see the consequences of an overburdened system all around here. >> The emergency rooms are overrun with non english speaking legals >> or illegals. The public health care system is shutting down in >> LA. Emergency rooms are ...

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Date:	Mon Apr 17 13:58:20 PDT 2006

195 [lbo-talk] Dean Baker on immigration -- rank: 1000

On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:11 AM, ravi wrote: > > Here's a piece on another one in the hierarchy of oppressions: > > http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?pid=75073 > [Richard Kim] > > => > => "Immigration reform needs to get in line behind the LGBT civil > rights > => movement, which has not yet realized all of its goals. Which is not > => to say that I don't recognize the plight of illegal immigrants. > I do. > => But I didn't break the la ...

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