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1381 Singer -- rank: 1000

JKSCHW at aol.com wrote: > Marta > > << We've heard this "right of society" line before, it has been used to > > sterilize and exterminate disabled people, gays, deaf, gypsies, blacks, > > alcoholics, Jews, any social "deviant." > > >> > > > > JKS: It's offensive and ignorant to accuse Singer of being a Nazi. > > > > Marta: I was thinking broader than Nazis. In the U.S. members of the the > crimi ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Mon Nov 16 23:07:49 PST 1998

1382 Claiming Darwin for the Left??? -- rank: 1000

JKSCHW at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 98-11-16 16:46:39 EST, you write: > > << Roe v > Wade the court made the distinction that a baby's constitutional right starts > at birth. > >> > > No, it didn't. Neither Roe nor Casey--which has replaced Roe as the Court's > last word on abortion--give _any_ constitutional rights to babies. They just > didn't give any to fetuses. Babies have had whatever constitutional rights > they always had. You ar ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Mon Nov 16 21:55:11 PST 1998

1383 Claiming Darwin for the Left??? -- rank: 1000

William S. Lear wrote: > On Fri, November 13, 1998 at 14:26:25 (-0800) Marta Russell writes: > > .... According to Singer, > >a baby can be ethically killed by its parents within 30 days of birth. > >His rationale: infants are nonpersons because they are not "rational and > >self-aware." ... > > Does this apply to economists and other criminally deluded social > scientists? > That's a good one Bill. > ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Mon Nov 16 16:16:48 PST 1998

1384 Claiming Darwin for the Left??? -- rank: 1000

Max Sawicky wrote: > > On Sun, 15 Nov 1998, Max asked a highly loaded question: > > I wasn't thinking of eugenics (or disabilities) at > all. I simply > acted on the mischievous urge to ask why a > condemnation of someone who discounted the value > of a life of less than 30 days duration did not > extend to an identical view towards a life with > an age of, say, minus 45 seconds. In this > context, perhaps not the one at the center of > your post, whether th ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Mon Nov 16 13:20:48 PST 1998

1385 Claiming Darwin for the Left??? -- rank: 1000

JKSCHW at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 98-11-15 17:52:36 EST, you write: > > << We've heard this "right of society" line before, it has been used to > sterilize and exterminate disabled people, gays, deaf, gypsies, blacks, > alcoholics, Jews, any social "deviant." > >> > > It's offensive and ignorant to accuse Singer of being a Nazi. As he makes > clear, he thinks that any rational being hasa special claim on our moral > c ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Sun Nov 15 21:51:41 PST 1998

1386 Claiming Darwin for the Left??? -- rank: 1000

Frances Bolton (PHI) wrote: > While I am obviously in favor of a woman's absolute right to choose, > I am not in favor of eugenics. The following two statements are different, > "I do *not* want this baby." and "I do not want *this* baby." The former > is not about the fetus. It is about not wanting to have a child. The > second statement is directed towards a particular fetus or baby. As such, > I think it's directed towards a *person*. Now, if I get pregna ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Sun Nov 15 14:46:24 PST 1998

1387 Disabled Protest -- rank: 1000

Carrol Cox wrote: > Marta Russell wrote: > > > > > > Carrol Cox I think, ...said [he doesn't] > > > vote. I won't claim it makes a big difference. But voting > > > is just one part of a spectrum of political action. . . . > > > But the point is to engage all the forms available, from pointless > > > boycotts to meaningless voting, to getting self-serving, last minute, > > > mid-night measures on the local ballot. All that pointle ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Sun Nov 15 13:40:16 PST 1998

1388 Claiming Darwin for the Left??? -- rank: 1000

Since both Darwin and eugenics have been discussed on lbo, I am posting this "Claiming Darwin for the Left" thing. It's a rather long interview with one of the world's leading eugenicists, Australian born Dr. Peter Singer, who has been influential in the field of applied ethics for the last 25 years. Singer, who favors killing disabled babies, has been asked to join Princeton's Center for Human Values. According to Singer, a baby can be ethically killed by its parents within 30 days o ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Fri Nov 13 14:26:25 PST 1998

1389 Request for source -- rank: 1000

I am wondering if there is any group(s) or individual(s) out there that is tracking the surplus population (those "unemployables" out of the labor market entirely for various reasons) as the BLS tracks unemployment/employment? Marta Russell

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Fri Nov 13 09:42:05 PST 1998

1390 1998-10-06 Clinton-Gore Administration Labor Accomplishments -- rank: 1000

Question for the number crunchers: The Labor Dept always tracks how many jobs were "created." What about the number of jobs derailed by corporate restructuring, corporate flight, mergers, etc. Does the labor department track that? Is there anyone making those tallies, or is there a source for such information? Marta Russell Doug Henwood wrote: > [Is this payback for all the get-out-the-vote work?] > > Delivered-By-The-Graces-Of: White House Electronic Publications > Prec ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Mon Nov 9 09:22:54 PST 1998

1391 Uberroth plan (was Disabled Protest) -- rank: 1000

OK this will be my third post today. How the good times fly. What I see is that the Uberroth plan was basically used to quell dissent and very little came of it. There was discussion about creating "enterprize zones" during the last election but to my knowledge very very little has been done. I think it was Earl Ofari Hutchison who publicly confronted the city with the fact that it had not followed through with the suggestions in the plan (nor with the Christopher Commission report ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Fri Nov 6 10:15:40 PST 1998

1392 Open Letter to the Nation magazine -- rank: 1000

To add one more thought to this thread. My partner, Tom, who has amazing good common sense, says he thinks the Nation has gone middle road to get more subscriptions, to show profits, to build their empire so to speak. Someone told me that the editor, Katrina vanden Heuval, owns a large interest in the publication. Can anyone verify this? Marta Russell

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Fri Nov 6 09:55:05 PST 1998

1393 Open Letter to the Nation magazine -- rank: 1000

alec ramsdell wrote: Marta, > I haven't seen the last issue, but this doesn't sound surprising. It's > much in keeping with Louis' characterization of the slant towards banal > psychologing in the fiction. What was the "political" slant of the > article (or as much as you read)? Hi Alec, The writer featured in the Nation, Leonard Kriegal, says that "to some extent, living with a permanent disability is a political act, since among the ways a society should be measure ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Fri Nov 6 09:26:13 PST 1998

1394 Open Letter to the Nation magazine -- rank: 1000

JayHecht at aol.com wrote: > I'm thinking about killing my sub. > Yes and so am I. For reasons akin to Louis. My publisher has sent the Nation a copy of my book yet it has not given the book a review. To my knowlege it is the only book that deals with the commodification of disability, the political economy and disability, and compulsory unemployment, the surplus population, i.e., Marxist analysis. I've been reviewed in Z Magazine and the Columbus Free Press (an d of course disability ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Thu Nov 5 13:41:40 PST 1998

1395 Disabled Protest -- rank: 1000

Chuck Grimes wrote: Marta Russell > This medical versus social versus civil right versus economic modeling > of disability is a tough one. > > ...This takes a minute to figure out. If you can not get to > the public realm, then none of the other rights you may have, > unalienable or not, can be made manifest in a public space, in a > public life. Yes, this is systemic oppression which keeps disabled people out of the social political sphere. Yet, I've had many experiences t ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Thu Nov 5 13:18:47 PST 1998