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1006 Beeson & Singer/ prenatal diagnosis -- rank: 1000

As far as I am concerned this thread is discontinued. You have not understood one thing I have said. That is the bullshit here. Marta Thomas Seay wrote: > > <<> Lets abort everyone but white able bodied males. > > And even they might > > fall and break their neck and become a "burden" to > > society.>> > > I will say it again...stop the guilt whipping bullshit > Marta. > >

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Mon Aug 6 13:49:42 PDT 2001

1007 Beeson & Singer/ prenatal diagnosis -- rank: 1000

Thomas Seay wrote: > > Cut the guilt-whipping bullshit Marta. That game does > not work with me. How cute of you. Of course, I understand that people > who are not superachievers have the right to a decent > life. I also understand that a woman or couple in > making this decision would have to weigh many factors. > However, people get abortions for a number of > reasons...they are too young, not ready for a family, > too poor, etc. Lets abort because we are poor! Ne ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Mon Aug 6 09:39:50 PDT 2001

1008 Beeson & Singer/ prenatal diagnosis -- rank: 1000

Luke Weiger wrote: > > > He believes that if a baby > > makes a parent unhappy, that parent should have the right to kill > > the baby up to three months old (some such fudge line) because it > is not > a "person." > > Yes, he believes that a parent should be able to kill any infant. But where > does he say that a disabled person may be summarily dispatched if it > displeases another? > > -- Luke The justification Singer offers for killing ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Mon Aug 6 09:34:58 PDT 2001

1009 Beeson & Singer/ prenatal diagnosis -- rank: 1000

Luke Weiger wrote: > > > You are not struggling against my oppression by supporting Peter > > Singer. He's ready to give everyone the right to kill us after birth > > too. > > Marta > > Peter Singer might beg to disagree. I don't think so. He lays it out pretty clearly in "Practical Ethics" and "Should the Baby Live" and other work. He believes that if a baby makes a parent unhappy, that parent should have the right to kill the baby up to t ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Sun Aug 5 21:28:43 PDT 2001

1010 Beeson & Singer/ prenatal diagnosis -- rank: 1000

Thomas Seay wrote: > > I take Singer's side in this instance. I don't at all agree with Singer. >Namely, people born >with even severe impairments can lead rich lives. >One need only think of Helen Keller. And I remember >that wonderful French/Belgian film (can't remember the >name of it right now)where the overworked apollonian >banker learns so much from his dionsyian friend with >down syndrome. Of course, that was only a movie but >I am sure that such things ha ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Sun Aug 5 20:45:10 PDT 2001

1011 Beeson & Singer/ prenatal diagnosis -- rank: 1000

Given the recent discussion on "wrongful birth" in France -- Some people might find the exchange interesting. There is the starting article by Beeson. A reply by Peter Singer and a reply by Beeson to the reply from Peter. http://www.lahey.org/Ethics/newsletter/Win2000_HTML.stm Social and ethical challenges of prenatal diagnosis Diane Beeson, PhD Diane Beeson, PhD Chair of the Department of Sociology and Social Services California State University, Hayward In the past three decades, the ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Sun Aug 5 15:30:14 PDT 2001

1012 ... fascism... -- rank: 1000

Christopher Rhoades D˙kema wrote: > > Actually, the key place was at Hartheim Castle, in Austria. There are websites > about the place which I found a few months ago. > No it was but one of many. Victims for 1940 only Grafeneck 9,839 Brandenburg 9,772 Hartheim 9,670 Sonnenestein 5,943 Bernburg and Hadamar opened in 1941 See The Origins of Nazi Genocide by Henry Friedlander, p. 109 best, marta

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Fri Apr 27 13:53:44 PDT 2001

1013 ... fascism... -- rank: 1000

That should have been NOT naming Michael Pollak wrote: > Michael Pollak wrote: > > One of the things about this quote is that it seems that almost everyone > who uses it (at least in America) changes it -- not only as a parallelism, > as Charles did (although that's been popular too) but also changing the > original to better accord with what they think he should have said -- > moving Jews from last to first, omitting the communists, adding Catholics > and homosexuals, et ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Fri Apr 27 10:12:52 PDT 2001

1014 ... fascism... -- rank: 1000

Michael Pollak wrote: > > One of the things about this quote is that it seems that almost everyone > who uses it (at least in America) changes it -- not only as a parallelism, > as Charles did (although that's been popular too) but also changing the > original to better accord with what they think he should have said -- > moving Jews from last to first, omitting the communists, adding Catholics > and homosexuals, etc, depending on political context. > I plead guilty. I ha ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Fri Apr 27 10:11:06 PDT 2001

1015 human experiments & PR -- rank: 1000

Chapter 4 of "Trust Us, We're Experts," by John Stauber and Shelly Rampton begins with a quote from Rachel Scott's book, "Muscle and Blood." She says, "They shrug at the pleas of workers whose health they destroy in order to save money. They hire experts--physicians and researchers--who purposely misdiagnose industrial diseases as the ordinary diseases of life, write biased reports, and divert research from vital questions. They fight against regulation as unnecessary an ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Wed Apr 25 09:56:04 PDT 2001

1016 Curing health care -- rank: 1000

At long last some of the right questions are being asked by the media though capitalist medicine itself is not addressed. Whaddaya expect, its still the corporate media. Marta THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE http://chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/perspective/article/0,2669,SAV-0104150424,FF.html RX: CURING HEALTH CARE FROM THE TRAINING OF DOCTORS TO THE WAY MEDICATIONS ARE MARKETED TO THE HEART OF THE SYSTEM ITSELF, AMERICAN MEDICINE IS OVERDUE FOR REFORM CORPORATE ATTACK ON PILL PUSHING By Bruce Japsen. Br ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Thu Apr 19 10:32:22 PDT 2001

1017 slander of my beloved affiliate on your elist -- rank: 1000

For those who may be interested: Dick Sobsey is the author of Violence and Abuse in the Lives of People with Disabilities: The End of Silent Acceptance (1994) Paul Brookes Publishing Co., Baltimore. Marta Russell wrote: > > Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > > > > If anyone has a breakdown, I'd like to see it. I think that the > > disabled may be more often abused by their families than care-giving > > workers, especially when it comes to sexual abuse, just as children > ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Tue Apr 17 17:57:08 PDT 2001

1018 slander of my beloved affiliate on your elist -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > > If anyone has a breakdown, I'd like to see it. I think that the > disabled may be more often abused by their families than care-giving > workers, especially when it comes to sexual abuse, just as children > are more often abused by their family members than baby-sitters, > child care workers, summer camp leaders, boarding school teachers, > etc. I may be mistaken about this, however. What do you think? > > Yoshie While there certainly is ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Tue Apr 17 17:53:56 PDT 2001

1019 slander of my beloved affiliate on your elist -- rank: 1000

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > > Undoubtedly the disabled are often abused, but who commits such > abuses most often -- family members, acquaintances, strangers, > unionized care-giving workers, non-unionized care-giving workers, or > scabs? The report above doesn't make that clear. > No, this report does not and I don't know if Dan has broken it down into the categories you list. I do know that Dick Sobsey who is the foremost expert of disability and abuse believes that abuse is ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Tue Apr 17 16:59:28 PDT 2001

1020 slander of my beloved affiliate on your elist -- rank: 1000

I was so glad to see that Project Censored included abuse against disabled persons as one of the top 25 Censored Stories of 2000. ProjectCensored.org 20 Censored Disabled Most Likely to be Victims of Serious Crime Tash Newsletter March 2000 Title: The Invisible Victims Author: Dan Sorensen 158.96.231.221/dmhsearch/dmhquery.asp Research consistently finds that people with substantial disabilities suffer from violent and other major crime at rates four to ten times higher than that of the general ...

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Author:	Marta Russell
Date:	Tue Apr 17 15:00:27 PDT 2001