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631 [lbo-talk] Right-Wing Radio Host Gets Waterboarded, and Lasts Six Seconds Before Saying It's Torture -- rank: 1000

Michael writes: "FWIW, 40 years later, in one of his last (of several) memoirs, in the 1990s, I hear Massu recanted and admitted his "proof" was fraudulent." Massu was still sticking to his 'electric torture was not so bad' story when he was interviewed in the Spectator in 1994 'Anyway, I tried la gégène on myself; it was not so terrible.' 'To which part of the body did you attach the wires' he was asked by Simon Cortauld. 'I don't remember - it gives you a shock, but I didn' ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Sat May 23 16:09:33 PDT 2009

632 [lbo-talk] Irish priests beat, raped children -- rank: 1000

Doug wrote: "Dorothy Rabinowitz of the WSJ had a bigger effect. And the excellent Debbie Nathan, too - she did some heroic work on this. " Thanks for those refs - just ordered them. Also well worth reading are Mark Prendergrast, Victims of Memory http://www.nasw.org/users/markp/victims.html Richard Webster The Secret of Bryn Estyn http://www.richardwebster.net/brynestyn.htm . Also Margaret Jervis, David Hebditch and the late Nick Anning's exposure of Nottingham Social Services interna ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Sat May 23 01:33:01 PDT 2009

633 [lbo-talk] the Guardian (UK) - was Irish priests beat, raped... -- rank: 1000

Michael writes "Jim,I was referring to Left publications in the U.S. here, so I didn't mean the British quality paper. I meant The Guardian out of NYC" Forgive my Anglo-Centrism Chris writes "The British Guardian is awful. Don't apologize for it! ;) " This is very funny on the British Guardian, a critique from the old left: 50,000 editions of the imperialist, warmongering, hate-filled Guardian newspaper By Murray McDonald. There have been 50 000 issues of what was then called ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Sat May 23 00:36:14 PDT 2009

634 [lbo-talk] Irish priests beat, raped children -- rank: 1000

Michael Mc writes "I'm also pretty sure that The Guardian came out on the right side of this issue. Unless that's a case of recovered memory syndrome on my part! ;-)" Well, that rather depends on what you mean by 'the right side of this issue'. The Guardian was ahead of the curve in distancing itself from popular manifestations of the paedophile panic, but then it was ahead of the curve giving over its paper to the panic in the first place. The 'quality' Guardian newspaper condemned i ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Fri May 22 17:07:57 PDT 2009

635 [lbo-talk] Irish priests beat, raped children -- rank: 1000

Leninology writes: "the 'ritual abuse' cases, which everyone acknowledges were a catastrophic failure" - yes, now, nearly twenty years later, begrudgingly some have acknowledged that the social services dawn raids and breaking up of families was a disaster. But who said it at the time? Did the left take up the case for those families who were being persecuted? Search the Socialist Worker website for any comment in vain. International Socialism seems to have carried its first (wholly un ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Fri May 22 13:06:22 PDT 2009

636 [lbo-talk] Irish priests beat, raped children -- rank: 1000

Leninology says that the imprisonment of Angela Canning, Sally Clark and Trupti Patel has nothing to do with "has nothing to do with the state trying to break up families" - but who do you think imprisoned them? the Tamil Tigers? Roy Meadow and David Southall were indeed medical doctors, but medical doctors who had been working with social services in the treatment of what they were convinced were a "hidden epidemic of child abuse" cases, where they created their fantastic be ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Fri May 22 11:39:49 PDT 2009

637 [lbo-talk] Irish priests beat, raped children -- rank: 1000

Lenin's shadow writes "I'm quite afraid you can't be all that familiar with the 'instrusive state-sector' if that's what you think. The over-riding priority of the social services is always to keep families intact, and to keep children with their parents." I think the families of the late Sally Clark, Trupti Patel and Angela Canning might all have good reason to disagree with you, as might those children taken into care against their will in the Orkneys and in Nottingham, at the say so ...

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Author:	heartfield at blueyonder.co.uk
Date:	Fri May 22 07:41:46 PDT 2009

638 [lbo-talk] Irish priests beat, raped children -- rank: 1000

The categories of emotional abuse within the the NSPCC's report range from 'psychological controls', which include factors like 'mother unpredictable', through to 'proxy attacks', which include 'parent got rid of your pet'. Other categories include 'psycho/physical control and domination'; 'humiliation', for example 'shouted or screamed at regularly over the years'; 'withdrawal', for example 'given too little attention as a child'; 'antipathy', for example 'father disliked you'; and finally 'ter ...

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Author:	heartfield at blueyonder.co.uk
Date:	Fri May 22 07:22:32 PDT 2009

639 [lbo-talk] Irish priests beat, raped children -- rank: 1000

"This is driven by people who can't deal with their normal share of kink who need to conjure the monsters of their own imaginations in order to convince themselves that the weirdness is all outside them." No, I think the record shows that the child sex panics are driven by over-zealous social wrokers with a peculiarly low opinion of other (especially working class) people. Those for the most part have been the protagonists, aided by christian fundametlaists, and, sad to say, one or two ...

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Author:	heartfield at blueyonder.co.uk
Date:	Fri May 22 06:46:50 PDT 2009

640 [lbo-talk] Irish priests beat, raped children -- rank: 1000

cmkl writes: "further confirmation of my view that this system was, in large part, an effort to control the Irish working class." and eloquent confirmation of Connolly's argument that partition would lead to a carnival of reaction on both sides of the border. And yes, the Limerick Soviet - excellent book.

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Author:	heartfield at blueyonder.co.uk
Date:	Fri May 22 06:33:20 PDT 2009

641 [lbo-talk] Irish priests beat, raped children -- rank: 1000

Lenin writes "The NSPCC's figures suggest that 16% of girls and 7% of boys are sexually abused" Yes, but they are well-known for setting the definition of abuse very low: including things like being flashed, for example; and including any instance of abuse with systematic abuse. Also the higher figures of (not necesssarily sexual) abuse include some very subjective findings, like emotional abuse, which might include not being sufficiently supportive and so on. There is a whole industry ...

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Author:	heartfield at blueyonder.co.uk
Date:	Fri May 22 06:08:45 PDT 2009

642 [lbo-talk] Irish priests beat, raped children -- rank: 1000

Lenin's epigone writes "Well, Kinsey's research into male sexuality suggests otherwise" oh please! Kinsey? Long since shown to have systematically falsified his finding.

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Author:	heartfield at blueyonder.co.uk
Date:	Fri May 22 04:31:37 PDT 2009

643 [lbo-talk] Irish priests beat, raped children -- rank: 1000

Most conversations about paedophilia and rape are deeply overlaid with moralistic posturing, that makes it difficult to put things in perspective. First off, the overwhelming majority of men who father children do a reasonable job of looking after them, either providing for them, or caring for them. Almost everyone you know is alive because his or her parents cared for them, and most children are still raised by couples. Very few parents, are systematically cruel to their children (unless of cou ...

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Author:	heartfield at blueyonder.co.uk
Date:	Fri May 22 04:17:58 PDT 2009

644 [lbo-talk] Turkish wedding massacre -- rank: 1000

A friend in Turkey writes me the following: 'About the ' wedding massacre ', in fact it had nothing to do neither with honour nor with wedding. It was a carefully planned massacre to resolve some conflict among the village guards themselves over the division of land taken away from a family which was forced to leave their home. The police was aware before hand and probably promised them protection. The plan was to blame PKK for the massacre but it got out. Now the whole Turkey is discussing the ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Fri May 15 09:28:58 PDT 2009

645 [lbo-talk] Happy anniversary Novo-Magazine.de -- rank: 1000

The one-hundredth edition of the radical German magazine Novo is just published - with my review of Nick Cohen's book 'What's Left?' in it. http://www.novo-argumente.com/

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Fri May 15 09:26:16 PDT 2009