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2746 newbie on Participatory Economics -- rank: 1000

In message <3.0.1.32.19980720142142.0091f970 at pop.ma.ultranet.com>, Brett Knowlton <brettk at unica-usa.com> writes > Louis, you claim >that ParEcon is utopian, specifically because it meets your criteria of >utopian claims, namely that they are: > >1) Ahistorical >2) Moralist >3) Rationalist I can see the problem with one, even with two, but what's wrong with three? -- Jim heartfield

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Mon Jul 20 14:21:38 PDT 1998

2747 Soviet and US economy -- rank: 1000

In message <SIMEON.9807191701.A at germanium.primo.ssc.wisc.edu>, Rosser Jr, John Barkley <rosserjb at jmu.edu> writes > I share Doug's concern that this thread is in danger >of spinning out of control Mea culpa. This was a row that started on LeninList, and shouldn't have spun over onto here. I won't say another word about Uncle Joe (except that my grandfather John Patterson hero worshipped him to the point of growing the moustache and smoking the pipe). Shtum. -- Jim hear ...

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Date:	Sun Jul 19 16:44:19 PDT 1998

2748 Chairman Jones -- rank: 1000

Thoughts of Chairman Jones These are just some of the more sensible statements taken from Mark 'Jim' Jones' website. They reveal the religious ecstacy at work in the mind of Mark 'the-End- of-the-World-is-Nigh' Jones. In the chiliasm of despair, Chapel-goer Jones summons up fantasies of a retribution sweeping down from the East, to cleanse the temple of its pestilence. (Note the excessive use of naturalistic metaphors of plague and decay, so beloved of all religious thinkers.) All excerpts from ...

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Date:	Sun Jul 19 08:39:40 PDT 1998

2749 Soviet and US Economy -- rank: 1000

In message <35B1DF7A.69D97CF at netcomuk.co.uk>, Mark Jones <Jones_M at netcomuk.co.uk> writes >The fact is that a great many people made those kinds of predictions. IE that the soviet union would collapse. >Two weeks after the October Revoltuion, The London Times predicted that >the 'feeble' coup led by the 'obscure anarchist-pacificist Ulyanov' >would >not last out the year. You miss the point. The difference between Hillel Ticktin and the Times is that in the case o ...

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Date:	Sun Jul 19 08:12:24 PDT 1998

2750 Soviet and US Economy -- rank: 1000

In message <35B14D81.B0221355 at netcomuk.co.uk>, Mark Jones <Jones_M at netcomuk.co.uk> writes >The problem with Gorbachev and Aganbegyan is that they are somewhat >tainted witnesses. Yes, of course. The truth was that the socialist economy was booming, but wicked capitalists had inveigled themselves into the Kremlin were telling lies about it. > Agenbegyan's own schemes for revitalising >Soviet industry (the '500 Days' programme) led directly to the debacle >which ha ...

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Date:	Sun Jul 19 04:05:54 PDT 1998

2751 Soviet and US Economy -- rank: 1000

Michael writes in reply to me >There was dissatisfaction with the consumer goods relative to those of the U.S. >on >the part of elites. A professor or a bureaucrat made much less than a >comparable >person in the U.S. A farm worker much more. > and in reply to my point >> The tragedy is >> that it was not just propaganda: the Soviet economy really did fail to >> meet the most basic needs of its people. >> He adds > >I don't believe this for a min ...

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Date:	Sat Jul 18 12:24:57 PDT 1998

2752 USSR -- rank: 1000

In message <35B0AA83.49A38574 at netcomuk.co.uk>, Mark Jones <Jones_M at netcomuk.co.uk> writes >This is surely senseless. What does Lew, or James, suppose the workers >wanted? Is anyone suggesting they want what they've got now? The problem >Lew/James have is that their cheerleading for hurrah-capitalism and its >'progressive' potential (this is James's leitmotif), flies in the face of >bitter realities. Why does a plurality of Russians hanker for the past, >accor ...

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Date:	Sat Jul 18 08:03:03 PDT 1998

2753 L-I: Re: More on Japan and American 'Democracy' -- rank: 1000

In message <35B06447.CE9F1DD4 at netcomuk.co.uk>, Mark Jones <Jones_M at netcomuk.co.uk> writes >I aimed this at LBO since Jim Heartfield has already slunk off LenInt. You >know >my methods by now: I shall haunt Jim Heartfield hither and yon until he quits >his lurking and scrounging in the hedgerows of the Net and presents himself >back >here where a People's Court will try and assess whether steam really does come >off his piss. I was expelled from the LeninLi ...

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Date:	Sat Jul 18 02:24:11 PDT 1998

2754 USSR -- rank: 1000

I hope he and you won't mind if I quote Lew's (Lew at dialogues.demon.co.uk) assessment of the discussion of the USSR on this list, from Marxism International: "This parallels a similar argument going on in lbo-talk, where the Left- Keynesian defenders of the former USSR defend it on the non-Marxian grounds of "technical efficiency", or the provision of "free" medical care (as if many capitalist countries did not have it). Nothing is said about what the workers may have ...

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Date:	Sat Jul 18 02:17:05 PDT 1998

2755 Soviet and US Economy -- rank: 1000

In arguing that the Soviet Economy was less efficient than the American I am not arguing that the American was efficient, only that the Soviet was grotesquely inefficient. Michael argues that the Soviet economy had no speculative finance sector. Agreed. But it had its own bizarre inefficiences that far outweighed even that weird ritual. Was the Soviet economy weighed down by its generous welfare provisions? It seems unlikely. After all the US economy dedicates more of its GNP to health care than ...

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Date:	Sat Jul 18 01:52:44 PDT 1998

2756 More on Japan and American 'Democracy' -- rank: 1000

In message <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980716150643.539010290B- 100000 at OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>, Dennis R Redmond <dredmond at OREGON.UOREGON.EDU> writes >On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > >> I think it is misleading to speak of the USA and the Soviet Union (and >> their respective foreign policies) as mirror images. Both marxism and the >> world system theory should remind us that there is a specifically >> _capitalist_ logic--logic of capital accumulati ...

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Date:	Fri Jul 17 10:25:46 PDT 1998

2757 Overtime (was Re: happy autoworkers) -- rank: 1000

In message <2.2.16.19980712205049.50d70f2c at pop.igc.org>, Michael Eisenscher <meisenscher at igc.apc.org> writes >Having spent time on both college campuses and in more traditional >workplaces with both blue and white collar workers in all sorts of >occupations and sectors, I can say that I find less sexism and racism, not >to mention elitism, among those union members than their more privileged and >educated counterparts in academia. But that does not excuse or exp ...

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Date:	Mon Jul 13 03:57:27 PDT 1998

2758 ontology of class and race? Black class consciousness -- rank: 1000

In message <s5a4b80c.079 at ci.detroit.mi.us>, Charles Brown <CharlesB at CNCL .ci.detroit.mi.us> writes >Yet, one still wonders why there was this clear shift of party loyalty by Black >people. My first thought is that despite the discriminatory dispensation of the >New Deal, Black people are "very" working class - a higher proportion of Black >people are working class and Black people are concentrated in the poorest >sectors of the working class. Thus, th ...

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Date:	Thu Jul 9 16:44:03 PDT 1998

2759 ontology of class and race? (was Alabama and Tibet (?)) -- rank: 1000

In message <35A409D5.1B93332B at pitt.edu>, Mike Yates <mikey+ at pitt.edu> writes >Friends, > >I would not want to underestimate the impact of WWII on the assimilation of >white ethnics and the hardening of racism. It seems to me that after the war, >Italian Americans, for example, were far more conservative than they had been >before it. I agree with that. I see the war as consolidating the identification with the US. I read somewhere that in NY before the war th ...

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Date:	Thu Jul 9 03:28:42 PDT 1998

2760 ontology of class and race? (was Alabama and Tibet (?)) -- rank: 1000

In message <l03130323b1c991f126dc@[166.84.250.86]>, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> writes >Rakesh Bhandari wrote: > >>He seems to forget that due to the limits of the New Deal > >I just got a review copy of Suzanne Mettler's Dividing Citizens: Gender and >Federalism in New Deal Public Policy, from Cornell University Press. In the >preface, she argues that "Men, particularly white men, were endowed with >national citizienship, incorporated into po ...

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Date:	Wed Jul 8 16:38:17 PDT 1998