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2611 Agent Marcuse -- rank: 1000

In message <199810302244.RAA00291 at fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us>, Michael Hoover <hoov at freenet.tlh.fl.us> writes in defence of Herbert Marcuse >HManswered the communists who used his US intelligence service work to >taint him with CIA affiliations: > >'If critics reproach me for that, it only shows the complete ignorance >of these people, who seem to have forgotten that the war then was a >war against fascism, and that, consequently, I haven't the slightest >reason ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Sat Oct 31 02:42:50 PST 1998

2612 thread themes on outlawing fascistic racist speech -- rank: 1000

In message <v02130502630be641d9aa@[128.112.71.6]>, Rakesh Bhandari <bhandari at phoenix.Princeton.EDU> writes >Jim Heartfield's criticism of Ch Murray was an excellent one You're too kind > though I just >can't agree that the Bell Curve represented the endpoint of a racialized >punitivism in practice: since its publication in 1994, we got welfare >cuts, family caps, more punitive laws towards immigrants, the crime bill, >assault on affirmative action, etc. That i ...

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Date:	Sat Oct 31 03:52:55 PST 1998

2613 MAI update -- rank: 1000

In message <l03130309b25fa06d2c3d@[166.84.250.86]>, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> writes >I have a longish (22k) memo on the state of the MAI negotiations, written >by a Friends of the Earth staffer. Anyone interested, I'll send a copy. > >Doug > > Yes, please do post the article. -- Jim heartfield

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Date:	Fri Oct 30 10:06:10 PST 1998

2614 thread themes on outlawing fascistic racist speech -- rank: 1000

In message <Pine.BSI.3.96.981030105436.4032H-100000 at pcjfn.msc.com>, jf noonan <jfn1 at msc.com> writes >On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, Rakesh Bhandari wrote: > >> Also, the question is how the Bell Curve became a bestseller > > >I think this book was much more frequently purcased than it was read. >As I mentioned, I own a copy. I actually bought *two* copies (one to >send to my brother) at the same used bookstore on the same day. Both >were hardbacks and in ...

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Date:	Fri Oct 30 10:05:11 PST 1998

2615 thread themes on outlawing fascistic racist speech -- rank: 1000

In message <Pine.BSI.3.96.981029141649.2290M-100000 at pcjfn.msc.com>, jf noonan <jfn1 at msc.com> writes > >You would outlaw _The Bell Curve_?!? > > <mind boggles> Yes, perhaps we could pile up all the copies of the Bell Curve in the public square and burn them. That would really show the fascists we meant business! Didn't Dashiell Hammett reply to the question 'which books would you ban if you wanted to stop communism?' 'All of them' at the HUAC. -- Jim hear ...

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Date:	Thu Oct 29 15:25:08 PST 1998

2616 Liberalism (Locke, Mill) -- rank: 1000

In message <19981028.100430.3326.1.farmelantj at juno.com>, James Farmelant <farmelantj at juno.com> writes > As I recall Herbert Marcuse >(who himself was attracted to utilitarianism) was able to Mill's >utilitarianism against the defense of free speech as an absolute >right. Marcuse argued that under certain circumstances reactionary >speech could be justifiably repressed particularly racist and/or >pro-fascist speech. Would it be churlish to point out that Marcu ...

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Date:	Thu Oct 29 07:50:01 PST 1998

2617 Noam Chomsky - Free Speech -- rank: 1000

"In order to combat freedom of the press, the thesis of the permanent immaturity of the human race has to be defended." Karl Marx, Rheinische Zeitung, 1842 It seems unavoidable to me that the case against free speech is based on a contempt for the people, and a preference for the 'enlightened despotism' of the state. Trust the people, I say. Why should some high court judge, censor or spineless bureaucrat be a preferable source of opinion than the mass of ordinary people. Reactionaries ...

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Date:	Wed Oct 28 23:47:39 PST 1998

2618 Nazism = Capitalism? (was Re: Leftist Ravings?) -- rank: 1000

In message <CMM.0.90.0.909482936.kbevans at panix3.panix.com>, boddhisatva <kbevans at panix.com> writes > Who voted for Hitler and supported the initial Nazi movement and who >supported the full-blown Hitler regime are quite obviously two different >questions. I agree, but for different reasons. I consider the elections prior to the Nazi takeover to be the more authentic reflection of public opinion than those afterwards. After all, the voting taken before the impriso ...

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Date:	Tue Oct 27 07:28:08 PST 1998

2619 Noam Chomsky -- rank: 1000

"In order to combat freedom of the press, the thesis of the permanent immaturity of the human race has to be defended." Karl Marx, Rheinische Zeitung, 1842 In message <XFMail.981026134938.cgrimes at tsoft.com>, Chuck Grimes <cgrimes at tsoft.com> writes >Well, absurd or not, banning their speech and then having to listen to >their civil rights moaning, also trivializes the concept of civil >rights in its moral configuration, by handing that ground over to a >cor ...

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Date:	Mon Oct 26 17:52:18 PST 1998

2620 Nazism = Capitalism? (was Re: Leftist Ravings?) -- rank: 1000

In message <19981026.145147.-185263.0.alexlocascio at juno.com>, alexlocascio at juno.com writes > Hitler may not have had >the support of the majority of German people, but he did have a sizable >amount of support from the so-called "proletarian" classes. 'There can be no doubt that the NSDAP recruited across a broad social spectrum. However, its support was not random. We have already noted the over representation of Protestants, rural areas and small provincial towns, ...

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Date:	Mon Oct 26 17:08:07 PST 1998

2621 The Wealth and Poverty of Nations -- rank: 1000

In message <362FCF37.BE61099D at Lorainccc.edu>, Tom Lehman <uswa12 at lorainccc.edu> writes >Dear Doug and the LBOers, > >Does anyone have any comments on the book The Wealth and Poverty of >Nations by Harvard economics prof David Landes. > >The book has gotten some so-so reviews. Personally, I found it to be >entertaining light reading. How would Landes stack up against List? > >Sincerely, >Tom Lehman > Many years ago Landes wrote Prometheus Unbou ...

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Date:	Fri Oct 23 03:19:58 PDT 1998

2622 Gay sex stats by class -- rank: 1000

Chris's warning to avoid simplistic explanations of the figures below is is well made, not least because of the ambiguities of self-reported statistics. But it is worth bearing in mind the argument of John D'Emilio that the possibilities of homosexuality only really open up with market cosmopolitanism and the emergence of a non-familial sphere of life. In message <3.0.2.32.19981023083644.01031e2c at pop.gn.apc.org>, Chris Burford <cburford at gn.apc.org> writes >I thought I would ...

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Date:	Fri Oct 23 03:09:01 PDT 1998

2623 Gay bashing and laws -- rank: 1000

In message <3.0.2.32.19981023002247.0102f06c at pop.gn.apc.org>, Chris Burford <cburford at gn.apc.org> writes >As far as (bourgeois) democratic rights are concerned we should not >absolutise them, but decide which ones to support and campaign for >according to the context and the balance of advantage for working people. >No platform for homophobia! I really am surprised at the extent of the >defence of rule of bourgeois law, *as a matter of principle*, on this list. I ...

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Date:	Thu Oct 22 17:36:51 PDT 1998

2624 good news? (late follow up) -- rank: 1000

Listening to the spin put on the news about Pinochet's arrest in London, it seems as if the British government is preparing public opinion for a climbdown on extradition. No clear statement to that effect, but a deafening silence from Labour's front bench is being interpreted as a lack of will to see the thing through. -- Jim heartfield

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Date:	Thu Oct 22 16:28:14 PDT 1998

2625 gay bashing and laws -- rank: 1000

In message <3.0.2.32.19981021215617.01021660 at pop.gn.apc.org>, Chris Burford <cburford at gn.apc.org> writes >This placard ... > is an invitation to physical assault, and with ideas >like this in circulation 1 in 500 hundred confrontations will lead to >assault. Yes, it is. But people who act on such an invitation are the ones who are committing the crime. You cannot supress speech on the grounds of what it might lead to. That trivialises the culpability of those who de ...

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Date:	Thu Oct 22 00:07:37 PDT 1998