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2596 Max, Angela, Chris, DL -- rank: 1000

In message <00b301be8250$eded50a0$8ae33ecb at rcollins>, rc-am <rcollins at netlink.com.au> writes >Jim, > >then we agree. > >have you got any recent info on the progression of the labor party's new >laws on refugees? > >angela Passed the first reading, I think. Passed indeed at exactly the same time that the Macpherson report (into the death of black teenager Stephen Lawrence) was condemning 'institutional racism' to the clucking approval of all. Voting for t ...

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Date:	Fri Apr 9 01:01:02 PDT 1999

2597 Max, Angela, Chris, DL -- rank: 1000

In message <3.0.2.32.19990409000016.0147c630 at pop.gn.apc.org>, Chris Burford <cburford at gn.apc.org> writes at me >Your hands are not clean to the extent that you promoted appeasement of the >Serb attacks in Bosnia. Which, in placing himself outside of civil discussion, saves me the dreary task of demonstrating to him why Dimitrov's definition of fascism is 1) wrong and 2) inapplicable to the Yugoslav republic. (Suffice to say that the essential characteristic of fascism is ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Thu Apr 8 17:37:18 PDT 1999

2598 Opening Borders -- rank: 1000

Chris' posts are full of sound and fury, but signify nothing. He says that I support Serb fascism. He can draw that conclusion if he wants, but I just can't make any sense of it. The government of Serbia may be reactionary, but it is not fascist, and I don't support it. Like Max's promiscuous use of the word 'genocide' Chris's rhetorical denunciations of fascism only indicate that his argument is a little weak. What about the villages being burned out? Chris demands. The villages are being burne ...

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Date:	Thu Apr 8 01:24:48 PDT 1999

2599 lap-top bombardiers -- rank: 1000

I've noticed that all the lap-top bombardiers on LBO have gravitated towards a similar theme, 'democracy is not all that it's cracked up to be'. Max, Margaret and here (not a war supporter) Angela all tend to the same conclusions - democracy = tyranny, life is more important than freedom etc etc. This of course is the substantial component of the human rights ideology that was inaugurated with the drafting of the United Nations Declaration in New York in 1944. Seeking a legal basis for the occup ...

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Date:	Thu Apr 8 01:06:04 PDT 1999

2600 Opening Borders -- rank: 1000

In message <370dbce1.107663231 at mail.mindspring.com>, Margaret <mairead at mindspring.com> writes > It's >not at all clear to me that DIY despotism is to be >valued over, e.g., a genuinely democratic government >installed by the SAS at Whitehall's behest. Maybe I'm being naive, but I thought that democratic governments wee installed by electorates, not foreign powers or armies. > The idea >that it always and necessarily is, it seems to me, is a >species of raci ...

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Date:	Wed Apr 7 17:16:14 PDT 1999

2601 Slogans -- rank: 1000

In message <001601be811e$148d7750$3bf246d1 at epi59.epinet.org>, Max Sawicky <sawicky at epinet.org> writes >My answer is no, I wouldn't. The 'no bombs' portion of the >slogan presumably has some effect on the U.S. policy, whereas the >'no genocide' component has none on Milo. As such, the slogan is >completely disingenuous. In this context, 'a plague on both your >houses' is the Pontius Pilate solution, politically bankrupt, or >morality without moorings. Indeed ...

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Date:	Wed Apr 7 14:05:24 PDT 1999

2602 Opening Borders -- rank: 1000

In message <370b4cbf.78957144 at mail.mindspring.com>, Margaret <mairead at mindspring.com> writes >It depends, i suppose, on how you define >'self-government'. Well, what I mean is that it is better that America is ruled by Americans than Englishmen, for example, or that the Vietnamese are best placed to decide what happens in Vietnam, and indeed that the best solution for the Balkans is not one decided in the West. It's a simple democratic point really. Odd that it should eve ...

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Date:	Wed Apr 7 12:43:19 PDT 1999

2603 Public opinion shifts towards war hawks -- rank: 1000

In message <370AC572.C93E30EE at sprintmail.com>, Gar Lipow <lipowg at sprintmail.com> writes >Those who support NATO -- gleefully or reluctantly should be happy. >According to the polls (for whatever they are worth) U.S. public >opinion has shifted towards your side. According to ABC/Washington >Post poll 68% suppport the air strikes, and 55% percent support the >use of ground troops. According to the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll >62% support air strikes; 55% perc ...

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Date:	Wed Apr 7 00:29:40 PDT 1999

2604 Opening Borders -- rank: 1000

In message <3708E8FD.7B0B at ee.cornell.edu>, Enrique Diaz-Alvarez <enrique at anise.ee.cornell.edu> writes >I fully support the Kosovo Albanians' right to self determination and >independence, and to hell with 800-year old sob stories about lost >battles. But seriously, are the Kosova Albanians calling for independence? I thought they were calling for the creation of a UN Protectorate. I don't support the siting of British and American troops within Yugoslav territory. In m ...

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Date:	Tue Apr 6 17:28:35 PDT 1999

2605 Opening Borders -- rank: 1000

In message <000001be7ed8$73ae6fc0$161dfea9 at sawicky>, Max Sawicky <sawicky at epinet.org> writes > >Jimbo: nice to see you back, Thanks! >but where've you been? Doing actual work . . >. for pay? Yecch. Yes, real life exploitation. >You've echoed what has been said here already, My apologies I haven't read all the posts. >but I >would like to provoke you regarding the implications of your assessment of >NATO/US motives, in light of the record re: Kurds, et ...

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Date:	Sun Apr 4 12:24:41 PDT 1999

2606 "Pro-Serb-Nationalism"/"Pro-Milosevic" Baiting and the Death ofYugoslavia -- rank: 1000

I do see Nathan's point that it is wrong of me to put him in the same bag as 'the Western Press' (which might be something of a fictional category itself). But where I differ is that it seems unlikely to me that any kind of intervention organised by NATO (or indeed the UN) could be turned to a positive purpose. If it really were the case that air-strikes (or ground forces) might alleviate the situation of the Kosovars - or indeed the Serb civilians who had been attacked by the KLA - then I certa ...

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Date:	Sun Apr 4 10:34:59 PDT 1999

2607 Mrs Milosevic -- rank: 1000

In message <3.0.2.32.19990404122546.00ef33d0 at pop.gn.apc.org>, Chris Burford <cburford at gn.apc.org> writes >One of the imperialist and foolish features of the NATO led war, is the >demonisation of Milosevic. While I certainly agree there is evidence to try >him for war crimes and crimes against humanity, it is typical of western >militarist enterprises, to try to personalise the individual. Compare the >treatment of Hussein. > Agreed. >It is quite clear that ...

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Date:	Sun Apr 4 06:18:28 PDT 1999

2608 "Pro-Serb-Nationalism"/"Pro-Milosevic" Baiting and the Death ofYugoslavia -- rank: 1000

In message <000b01be7cd7$6f058c40$91cffea9 at sawicky>, Max Sawicky <sawicky at epinet.org> writes > What we are is uniformly >concerned more about the threat of genocide by Serbs against Kosovari than >the converse, and even in the latter case we have advocated peace-keeping, >not simple-minded support for the KLA and/or anti-Serb military operations. The Kosovans have been campaigning for autonomy since the 1970s. But somehow their cause only seems to catch anyone's att ...

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Date:	Sun Apr 4 04:45:10 PDT 1999

2609 Aid to Russia -- rank: 1000

In message <v04003a08b215d7918202@[128.32.105.161]>, Brad De Long <delong at econ.Berkeley.EDU> writes >We don't get much surplus out of trade with the former East Germany (at >least not yet). >We don't get much surplus out of trade with Nigeria (even with their oil). >We don't get much surplus out of trade with Pakistan. >We don't get much surplus out of trade with Vietnam. > >We get a lot of surplus out of trade with South Korea. >We get a lot of surplus out ...

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Date:	Sun Sep 6 12:26:44 PDT 1998

2610 Y2K Rapture -- rank: 1000

In message <199810310124.RAA19015 at socrates.berkeley.edu>, Patrick Ellis <patricke at jps.net> writes >K wrote: > >>So is Y2K *that* bad? >An unqualified maybe. >Finally, someone sad something about there needing to be a leftist position >on Y2K. Huh? Why and what would it look like? Reproduced from LM issue 112, July/August 1998 Mark Beachill is bugged by stories of millennial computer doom Are you ready for year zero zero? Tony Blair is out to create a 20 0 ...

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Date:	Sat Oct 31 04:26:29 PST 1998