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2581 Marshall Burford for Balkans? -- rank: 1000

In message <3.0.2.32.19990415235954.00f5d1b0 at pop.gn.apc.org>, Chris Burford <cburford at gn.apc.org> writes >I am indeed on this planet, Doug. With all four feet planted firmly on the ground. -- Jim heartfield

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Thu Apr 15 18:14:27 PDT 1999

2582 The enemy is at home -- rank: 1000

In message <005201be878a$8a17ba40$41517e86 at rosserjb-b000.jmu.edu>, J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. <rosserjb at jmu.edu> writes Quoting Denitch and Williams' article. >> >> Sadly, some on the left are angrier about NATO's bombing >> than they are about the Serbian forces' atrocities, even though >> Milosevic's men have killed more in one Kosovan village than >> have all the airstrikes. Everyone else has sounded off against this, so I suppose I am j ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Thu Apr 15 17:58:58 PDT 1999

2583 What's My Line -- rank: 1000

In message <00b401be859f$b9ad7700$5501050a at de.diamondmm.com>, Johannes Schneider <Johannes.Schneider at gmx.net> writes >If you go to >http://www.zik.com/english/kla8.htm you will find out the UCK has been >frequently demanding independence. But when I go to the site it is clear that the KLA only ever raises the demand for independence' as a negotiating counter to rally the West to intervene. In every practical respect the KLA is a Washington based lobby demanding Western ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Tue Apr 13 07:05:36 PDT 1999

2584 No blood for bananas -- rank: 1000

In message <s71221e3.033 at mail.ci.detroit.mi.us>, Charles Brown <CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us> writes >It is a clear case of denial that some of the economists around these lists >(present company excluded) have trouble finding economic motives for the current >war. The below is direct evidence of gains for the military industrial complex. >Doug posted a while ago on the profitting that will eventually likely result >from replacing what is being blown up in Serb ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Tue Apr 13 00:43:54 PDT 1999

2585 What's My Line -- rank: 1000

In message <000501be8567$c7e127a0$6a15b0cf at sawicky>, Max Sawicky <sawicky at epinet.org> writes Max's points were interesting, though I did not agree with all of them, but cutting to the chase: > >8. What's the right demand for the left? Support self-determination for >Kosova. Self-determination for Kosova? Who amongst the Kosovars is demanding self-determination? I thought they were demanding autonomy within the Yugoslav republic (in the period from 1970 to 1989), rest ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Tue Apr 13 01:22:50 PDT 1999

2586 Dalai Lama -- rank: 1000

In message <14098.46232.541876.922541 at lisa.zopyra.com>, William S. Lear <rael at zopyra.com> writes >What was the story I read about the American torture specialist? He >was torturing a woman and went to the next room to take a phone call. >I think the woman heard him say "I'll be home soon, honey. Love to >the kids...", or some such. Isn't that a scene from Terry Gilliam's film Brazil, with Michael Palin as the torturer, whose kids are playing in the waiti ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Tue Apr 13 00:58:23 PDT 1999

2587 genocide -- rank: 1000

Seth and Doug's spat over the applicability of the word genocide is an excuse for me to reproduce this I wrote for LM, that was also translated for the German magazine Novo: Hiding behind the holocaust James Heartfield balks at the fashion for accusing people of Holocaust denial Say anything that falls out of the mainstream of acceptable opinion these days, and it seems you risk being vilified as a neo-Nazi Holocaust-denier. Question the government's safe sex campaign and you can be accused of c ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Mon Apr 12 14:37:17 PDT 1999

2588 US troops openly in Kosovo now (fwd) -- rank: 1000

In message <v04011703b337d99cb07d@[166.84.250.86]>, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> writes >I just heard on CNBC that U.S. officials are now saying the bombing will go >on for another 2 months. Yes, this was reported on the early evening news here, along with Nato admitting that they had indeed bombed a bridge carrying a passenger train last night, as reported in Belgrade. Nine people were killed outright and many more injured. This must be what they mean by 'degrading Mil ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Mon Apr 12 11:41:32 PDT 1999

2589 Intervention and anti-imperialism -- rank: 1000

In message <3.0.2.32.19990412131903.00755648 at pop.gn.apc.org>, Chris Burford <cburford at gn.apc.org> writes >At 09:04 10/04/99 Jim Heartfield wrote in reply to DL: > >>I certainly would not want to leave out of >>account the prior hostility Serbs felt towards the Albanian Kosovars. TO which Chris replies >This covers up the fact that Milosevic won the election on a platform of >confronting the Kosovans, and in 1989 he removed their autonomy. This >apolo ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Mon Apr 12 07:07:57 PDT 1999

2590 cluster bombs -- rank: 1000

In message <00c701be8455$f6028740$94ba8482 at nsn2>, Nathan Newman <nathan.newman at yale.edu> writes >If NATO is using cluster bombs on civilian targets, then this argument might >have a point. > >If the Serbs used cluster bombs on civilians as part of ethnic clensing, >while NATO is using them on military units (arguably to prevent the same), >then the analogy is merely more apologia for Serb atrocities. You should read more closely: the case mentioned was of the ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Sun Apr 11 14:08:25 PDT 1999

2591 cluster bombs -- rank: 1000

I think somebody mentioned the legality or otherwise of cluster bombs. Milan Martic, leader of the Krajina Serbs was indicted for war crimes by the UN Tribunal for using cluster bombs against Zagreb in response to Croatian Operation Lightening in May 1995, while NATO may use cluster bombs against the Serbs with impunity and its actions characterised as upholding humanitarian law. -- Jim heartfield

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Sun Apr 11 11:38:44 PDT 1999

2592 History of Kosovo -- rank: 1000

I read the history of Kosovo that Nathan posted. Informative as it was it really was only the mirror image of those Serb nationalist historiographies that trace the history back to the year dot (Illyria - that's a good one). After all the substance of this retrospective history is that Kosovo is _Albanian_ - a demand that is curiously missing from the KLA's repertoire, that, 'Union with Albania!'. Presumably they prefer dependency on the US tax base than on the Albanian. Anyway, here is an artic ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Sun Apr 11 07:14:56 PDT 1999

2593 Intervention and anti-imperialism. -- rank: 1000

In message <3.0.2.32.19990409235338.00688d64 at pop.gn.apc.org>, Chris Burford <cburford at gn.apc.org> writes >I do not know the point that Jim H is making abour the suspension of >democracy in Bosnia. I do not know the details or the underlying policy. > >Perhaps for bad and discreditable reasons Bosnia wished to secede from the >Yugoslav federation. My understanding is that the Serb nationalist response >was to attack to split is and dominate as much of the land ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Sat Apr 10 13:00:15 PDT 1999

2594 Max, Angela, Chris, DL -- rank: 1000

In message <00c001be82e3$7348f1e0$c8afcdcf at newmicronpc>, D.L. <boddhisatva at mindspring.com> writes > > > C. Heartfield, > > You wrote that : > >"I said that Yugoslavia was merely reacting. I meant it. This process was >set in train in Washington, Bonn, Paris and London, but its consequences >are felt in the Balkans." Does "this process" logically include the >dispossessing of Albanian Kosovars by the Serb-dominated (an ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Sat Apr 10 01:04:32 PDT 1999

2595 Kosovo-Metohija -- rank: 1000

In message <02b201be82bb$416cd7e0$41517e86 at rosserjb-b000.jmu.edu>, J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. <rosserjb at jmu.edu> writes > Remarks in response to Jim Heartfield >and Doug Henwood: > 1) Jim H.--- > You claim that the KLA was just a US PR operation. >This lacks credibility. I thought I said that it was a US-based PR operation. It is the KLA that lacked credibility, and is seeking to make its own population into wards of Nato. > I don't >think any ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Fri Apr 9 15:57:44 PDT 1999