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2536 Faking what democracy? -- rank: 1000

Chris gets himself into a pickle arguing that American government is in the pocket of tobacco companies when the US has gone furthest in legislating against the tobacco companies of all. Descending into conspiracy theory >I also believe, and believe others believe, >tobacco capital was behind his impeachment. Certainly the "Independent >Prosecutor" is not independent of connections with tobacco interests. Undeterred by the eccentricity of his example Chris gets to the point (w ...

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Date:	Wed Aug 4 02:28:43 PDT 1999

2537 Faking what democracy? -- rank: 1000

In message <518B8516EDC0D011BE3F00C04FD4EE5A158342 at smtp.fair.org>, Seth Ackerman <SAckerman at FAIR.org> writes > don't you think it's a bit >facile to accuse Bosnia of being run in an "imperialist" or >"anti-democratic" fashion when a few years ago the Bosnians same close to >wiping each other out? Well, I hope not. First, I think its reasonable to judge the UN protectorate in Bosnia in its own terms. It claimed a 'democratising' mission, but its p ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Tue Aug 3 15:35:19 PDT 1999

2538 CPUSA on JFK2 -- rank: 1000

In message <v04210117b3cc0ea5a950@[166.84.250.86]>, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> writes >God, the CPUSA's adoration of Democrats knows no bounds. The July 31 >issue of People's Weekly World has a memorial to John-John by Jarvis >Tyner. My father sold an anarchist newspaper around the pubs of Leeds around the time of the first JFK's assassination (Freedom, or Black Flag, I don't remember which) the headline, a triumph of reductive argument: 'So What' -- Jim heartfield

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Date:	Tue Aug 3 08:53:26 PDT 1999

2539 Labour Party and the Unions -- rank: 1000

In message <000401beddc0$8ac3a710$5ef246d1 at epinet.org>, Max Sawicky <sawicky at epinet.org> writes >The LM snipe hunt continues . . . > Churchill's view of Eamon DeValera's negotiating style 'like trying to pick up mercury with a fork' was reported back to Dev: 'Why doesn't he use a spoon?' asked the old maths teacher. You're hunting, but I'm sat right here. >>>JH: >This much is merely a mundane restatement of >Marxism, which I'm surprised is contentious. > ...

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Date:	Tue Aug 3 09:14:46 PDT 1999

2540 social darwinism and welfarism -- rank: 1000

In message <199908030347.XAA08990 at fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us>, Michael Hoover <hoov at freenet.tlh.fl.us> writes >> the webbs were really keen on eugenics as well: the planning of >> biological reproduction. >> Angela > >their language was also permeated with social darwinism (Beatrice Webb >knew Herbert Spencer personally and admired him)...they and their >acolytes favored elite professional control and 'benevolent' paternal >state (gov't *for* the peo ...

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Date:	Tue Aug 3 06:09:57 PDT 1999

2541 Labour Party and the Unions -- rank: 1000

In message <001601bedd1f$94fd8580$5ef246d1 at epinet.org>, Max Sawicky <sawicky at epinet.org> writes >More socialismus interruptus from JH . . . > >And? And? > >What is societal self-determination? Forgive me if I decline an invitation to write recipes for the socialist kitchens of the future. This much is merely a mundane restatement of Marxism, which I'm surprised is contentious. The assessment is that human society has alienated its own powers in the market and th ...

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Date:	Tue Aug 3 05:21:57 PDT 1999

2542 Faking what democracy? -- rank: 1000

In message <3.0.2.32.19990802233346.0115fcfc at pop.gn.apc.org>, Chris Burford <cburford at gn.apc.org> writes quoting > >>Dr David Chandler, author of Bosnia: Faking Democracy after Dayton, even >>suggests that "autonomy for Kosovo under the UN and Nato is increasingly >>looking no more democratic than life under the old Yugoslav regime". and asks the question > >What democracy is being faked? What is the idealist concept of democracy by >whic ...

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Date:	Tue Aug 3 05:21:50 PDT 1999

2543 Labour Party and the Unions -- rank: 1000

In message <v04210114b3cb7a0e7a2c@[166.84.250.86]>, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> writes > >This all sounds wonderful, but just what do you mean by >socialization? lnp3 at panix.com says he's for the socialization of the >MOP too, and you two don't agree on anything else. The difference between myself and Louis Proyect is that I think there have to be some means of production to socialise. -- Jim heartfield

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Date:	Tue Aug 3 01:32:50 PDT 1999

2544 Anti-imperialist Times -- rank: 1000

>From the Op-Ed page of the Times, London, August 2 1999 OPINION Mick Hume 'What better way could there be for Germany to clean up its history than by waging war against those branded the new Nazis?' Two months on, who really won the war over Kosovo? On Friday, at a three-hour photo shoot masquerading as the Sarajevo summit, no fewer than 40 smiling heads of state tried to climb on to the Balkan victory rostrum at the same time. But, as in every beauty contest, while they all looked lovely, ...

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Date:	Mon Aug 2 12:59:25 PDT 1999

2545 Labour Party and the Unions -- rank: 1000

Max and Seth both ask what I'm for. Socialisation of the means of production - what G Lukacs called 'societal self-determination'. The problem with the Labour Party was that its programme was against socialisation, for nationalisation. Since it's been tried in practice we know that that is no academic distinction. Nationalised industries exploited, abused and finally dismissed their employees just as readily as private ones. In fact, the National Coal Board's record of deaths at work is second t ...

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Date:	Mon Aug 2 02:14:09 PDT 1999

2546 Labour Party and the Unions -- rank: 1000

In message <v02130500630bd5d0fa89@[128.112.71.23]>, Rakesh Bhandari <bhandari at phoenix.Princeton.EDU> writes > >And Jim, so the left should be too tough to call for nationalisation, >welfare or anti racism (no wearing swastikas is really the heroic act)? Nationalisation and welfarist socialism were not anti-racist, but racist. Identification with the British state was central to the chauvinism that influenced British Labour. At hospitals and benefit offices the first quest ...

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Date:	Sun Aug 1 08:55:57 PDT 1999

2547 70s English Youth Culture and the Labour Party and the Unions -- rank: 1000

In message <19990731.170529.-69553.0.alexlocascio at juno.com>, Alex LoCascio <alexlocascio at juno.com> writes >Just because The Jam were (to use Jon Savage's phrase) "little Tories," >that's no reason to tar the whole movement as a reactionary one. Forgive me, I didn't make myself clear. I certainly didn't mean to say that the Jam or Punk were reactionary. What I mean was that by the end of the 1970s it was the left that was reactionary. By contrast punk was a prote ...

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Date:	Sun Aug 1 03:49:53 PDT 1999

2548 Labour Party and the Unions -- rank: 1000

In message <518B8516EDC0D011BE3F00C04FD4EE5A158332 at smtp.fair.org>, Seth Ackerman <SAckerman at FAIR.org> writes > That does sound pretty awful. > > But if the British were sick of the welfare state and >nationalization, doesn't that mean they wanted welfare cuts and >privatization? Isn't that what Thatcher was offering? How is this >anti-welfarist feeling (which you seem to share) to be distinguished from >Thatcherism? Well, tragically, it wasn't s ...

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Date:	Sun Aug 1 03:54:25 PDT 1999

2549 Thatcher -- rank: 1000

In message <v04011701b34f6fcedd4d@[166.84.250.86]>, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> writes >Well, as (Sir) Alan Walters said, Thatcher's most lasting achievement was >the transformation of the Labour Party. What *does* have a special hold >over the British working class in 1999? Yes, I agree with Walters. Especially since all of the other things that looked like achievements, strong economy, individual freedom etc have turned out to be the opposite of what they were bil ...

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Date:	Fri Apr 30 10:36:16 PDT 1999

2550 Thatcher -- rank: 1000

>Doug Henwood wrote: > > >> >> But as Stuart Hall argued, Thatcherism infected the masses' day-by-day >> understanding of life. There was a major shift in popular discourse away >> from class-conscious, solidaristic rhetoric & towards individualized, >> market talk. While the Tories may be on the ropes, has Blair's Labour party >> really done anything to reverse this, much less come up with so pervasive >> an ideology of their own? I'm not t ...

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Date:	Fri Apr 30 01:20:55 PDT 1999