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2401 [PEN-L:2054] The PJs -- rank: 1000

In message <13978.20649.67239.746133 at lisa.zopyra.com>, William S. Lear <rael at zopyra.com> writes >I can't think of another show that better demonstrates >that Jim Heartfield is full of hot air about "fine" or "high" art. >Heartfield claims on the Marxism list that "The truncated and >exhausted lives of the working class is the basis for a culture that >is mean, small-minded and sensation-hungry: the television". Murphy >has shown ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Mon Jan 11 19:44:19 PST 1999

2402 it's Barr -- rank: 1000

In message <v04011714b2c05f1baa4f@[166.84.250.86]>, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> writes >>> Larry Flynt is supposed to name a Republican name tonight on Rivera Live, 9 >>> PM eastern time, CNBC. >>> >>I have neither television or internet access. Will some kind soul please >>send along the name of the repub.? > >Bob Barr had an affair with his present wife while married to his previous >wife My God, the bounder. He had an affai ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Mon Jan 11 18:54:32 PST 1999

2403 Theories of power (Butler seminar) -- rank: 1000

In message <13978.14950.689627.492864 at lisa.zopyra.com>, William S. Lear <rael at zopyra.com> writes >I agree with Jim that the notion of power, as used by Butler (in the >pages I have read so far) is too abstract for my taste, though I don't >agree that it therefore leads inexorably to apologetics. There is, >however, a very serious claim Jim makes that I find rather ill-founded >and altogether outrageous: > >To say that Russell is an "intellectual fraud ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Mon Jan 11 19:20:02 PST 1999

2404 Theories of power (Butler seminar) -- rank: 1000

Not wishing to pre-judge the discussion on Psychic Life of Power, it should be said that Butler sets herself a formidable task in writing a good theory of 'power'. All previous attempts suggest that the category 'power' lacks historical specificity, being to abstract to have anything but an apologetic consequence. What follows is a sketch, written quickly, where probably to much of the argumentation is made by the adjectives: The philistinism inherent in theories of 'Power' 1. Engels and Duhring ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Mon Jan 11 03:07:10 PST 1999

2405 what the... -- rank: 1000

This below by Nathan is the most intelligent thing said in this debate so far. It's a reminder of just how intolerant the underlying meaning of the uncritical worship of black nationalism on the part of white leftists really is. This is an attitude that stereotypes black people just as forcefully as does racism. The stereotype of black resistance amongst the white left is one of a primordial force of nature, struggling to be free. Of course the stereotype demands that the black activist is coura ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Mon Jan 11 02:21:56 PST 1999

2406 Oakland highlights -- rank: 1000

In message <199901101414.JAA27817 at bonjour.cc.columbia.edu>, Louis Proyect <lnp3 at panix.com> writes >This is a joke, right? Malcolm X wrote an autobiography to describe his >political evolution from the NOI to revolutionary nationalism. This >political evolution cost him his life. So Jim wants to place equal weight >to the phase of Malcolm X's career that he had repudiated? Why don't we >then treat Mussolini as a socialist and Lenin as a narodnik since they went &g ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Sun Jan 10 10:08:00 PST 1999

2407 Oakland highlights -- rank: 1000

In message <4.0.1.19990109215127.01d62910 at popserver.panix.com>, Louis Proyect <lnp3 at panix.com> writes > What I >find troubling about Rakesh's participation in this discussion is that he >does not really want to make the effort to back up his arguments with >documentation. This is quite bizarre, given the fact that Rakesh provides more references than any contributor. Louis could learn a lesson from Rakesh's willingness to introduce new material into these discussion ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Sun Jan 10 04:09:25 PST 1999

2408 Oakland highlights -- rank: 1000

In message <199901090053.TAA26693 at bonjour.cc.columbia.edu>, Louis Proyect <lnp3 at panix.com> writes >Maybe it is because you are totally clueless about black people. Just what is Louis' problem with Rakesh? I guess I would be foolish to get involved having felt the rough side of Louis' tongue myself on a few occasions ... so to speak. But Louis' desire to defend the reputation of Malcolm X at all costs, and the honour of black people against all criticism seems a bit self- con ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Sat Jan 9 04:38:57 PST 1999

2409 British Stalinism -- rank: 1000

Louis on Chris >Why he would want to >>identify with the bankers and politicians is anybody's guess. I suppose it >>is the sign of the utter degeneration of Stalinism that such a thing can >>take place. He belongs to one of the outgrowths of the once militant >>British Communist Party, which evolved into right-wing Eurocommunism. His >>sect emerges out of the right wing of the Eurocommunist CP. If I had a >>choice, I'd prefer to have portraits of Joseph Sta ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Sat Jan 9 04:12:40 PST 1999

2410 Theory of art -- rank: 1000

In message <3.0.5.32.19990108161059.007d97d0 at pop3.demon.co.uk>, James Heartfield <James at heartfield.demon.co.uk> writes >At 16:29 07/01/99 -0800, Alec Ramsdell wrote: >>A few more comments on this . . . Yeah, ok, these are my last words... >>The development of a canon depends on political decisions as to who >>gets in and who doesn't. Aesthetics aren't god-delivered laws, as I >>think we'd agree. T.S. Eliot popularized the Metaphysical Poets, did > ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Fri Jan 8 11:52:40 PST 1999

2411 Theory of art -- rank: 1000

In message <19990106173552.10121.rocketmail at send205.yahoomail.com>, Alec Ramsdell <a_ramsdell at yahoo.com> writes > >But wouldn't a marxian critique want to question the operations of >"the market" and the place of the product in it? Would you say the >invisible (well, not invisible) hand of the art market works >regardless of aesthetic trends? Well, like I said, I think I did write just such a critique. In Marxian terms, art is part of luxury production ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Wed Jan 6 11:26:04 PST 1999

2412 Theory of art (was the Butler did it (was cheap computers)) -- rank: 1000

In message <19990105195300.5573.rocketmail at send304.yahoomail.com>, Alec Ramsdell <a_ramsdell at yahoo.com> writes > >Schoenberg, if I can return to him again, believed all theory was >secondary to inspiration, that true composition was done on >inspiration. Yet he developed one of the most rigorous theoretical >elaborations on (western) harmony, from the church modes on up, in the >20th century (_Theory of Harmony_). The mistake comes when the theory >is tak ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Tue Jan 5 13:26:50 PST 1999

2413 Theory of art (was the Butler did it (was cheap computers)) -- rank: 1000

>Carrol Cox <cbcox at mail.ilstu.edu>: > >>>A theory of art would be an explanation of art in the whole complex of > >social relations within which it exists. << This seems wrong to me. A theory of art would be an examination of the specific techniques of art itself, not a sociology of those who are involved in it. The latter would no more be a theory of art than Marx's critique of the factory system is a tract on engineering. Art, as Trotsky and Lukacs argued, h ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Tue Jan 5 03:59:04 PST 1999

2414 Theory of art (was the Butler did it (was cheap computers)) -- rank: 1000

>Carrol Cox <cbcox at mail.ilstu.edu>: > >>>A theory of art would be an explanation of art in the whole complex of > >social relations within which it exists. << This seems wrong to me. A theory of art would be an examination of the specific techniques of art itself, not a sociology of those who are involved in it. The latter would no more be a theory of art than Marx's critique of the factory system is a tract on engineering. Art, as Trotsky and Lukacs argued, h ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Tue Jan 5 03:59:04 PST 1999

2415 europhoria -- rank: 1000

In message <v0401170bb2b6e4dfbb15@[166.84.250.86]>, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> writes >I'm kind of out of touch down here in Appalachia, but it seems the euro has >had a remarkable debut, with continental stock markets up about 5% and the >currency strong against the US$. What it's all mean? Any thoughts, esp from >you folks over there in Euroland? Like Chris says, England doesn't count as Euroland. The coverage here is all wistful regret at being excluded from ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Tue Jan 5 03:42:43 PST 1999