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2311 No simple economic motive in Balkans -- rank: 1000

On the motivations behind the war: Charles' reference to Marx' thesis >social being determine social consciousness is spot on. But the way I read it, Marx did not mean (as he is often vulgarised) that economics determines thinking. For Marx economics is after all only fetishistic expression of social being. And, just as important, social being includes social consciousness as well as determining it. Social being can be analysed at the level of capital accumulation, but this necessarily leaves ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Sat May 29 02:54:32 PDT 1999

2312 It's no genocide -- rank: 1000

In message <19990527143755.B6638 at panix.com>, t byfield <tbyfield at panix.com> writes > >where exactly do you think the holocaust took place? It took place under German jurisdiction. -- Jim heartfield

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Thu May 27 13:46:07 PDT 1999

2313 LM Online launches special documentary on Kosovo -- rank: 1000

LM Online has launched an online documentary on the Kosovo conflict - to look behind the headlines, and to collect together critical analyses and alternative opinions on NATO's war. >From parliament down, hard-hitting debates on the Kosovo conflict have been conspicuous by their absence - LM Online wants to challenge that, by creating a space for dissenting views. At the new site, you will find LM's arguments on Kosovo spelled out in a documentary format, on everything from genocide to Blair' ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Thu May 27 13:42:59 PDT 1999

2314 PR firm behind 'genocide' -- rank: 1000

THE MEDIA AND THE DEMONIZATION OF THE SERBS by Marjaleena Repo MARJALEENA REPO is a free lance writer with a special interest in justice issues. She is also the national organizer of Citizens Concerned About Free Trade, an organization concerned about the survival of the Canadian nation. She lives and works in Saskatoon and Toronto (Canada). She can be reached by e-mail: ccafttor at sympatico.ca This article can be found on the CCAFT website, http://web.idirect.com/~ccaft Tuesday, March 30, 1999 ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Thu May 27 13:37:27 PDT 1999

2315 No simple economic motive in Balkans -- rank: 1000

In message <v0401170bb37082318001@[166.84.250.86]>, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> writes >[An otherwise unremarkable statement by the Yugoslav Sociological Assn >forwarded to the Marxist Literary Group list quoted a Washington Post op-ed >by Robert Kaplan, theorist of humanitarian imperialism, that said we needed >the Balkans to gain access to Caspian Oil. The view that the war over Kosovo is being fought out of some narrow pecuniary interest strikes me as small-mi ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Thu May 27 11:07:05 PDT 1999

2316 It's no genocide -- rank: 1000

In message <3.0.2.32.19990523234539.00da6c50 at pop.gn.apc.org>, Chris Burford <cburford at gn.apc.org> writes > >And indeed NATO is guilty as charged in the indictment above. > >Sir Michael Rose from week one was in favour of ground troops, so it is not >surprising his testimony added to the case for the prosecution. > > >But Serbia is guilty of contravening international standards against genocide. > >Do you deny it? Or just think it is somehow revolut ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Wed May 26 12:16:22 PDT 1999

2317 British TV jury finds against Nato -- rank: 1000

Tonight British Television's Channel Four conducted a debate to try Nato on the charge of blundering into the Kosovan conflict and worsening the humanitarian disaster. After hearing the case for Nato presented by author Michael Ignatieff and Labour MP Ben Bradshaw, and the case against presented by Bob Marshall-Andrews MP (Lab) and Germaine Greer, as well as expert witnesses including Jamie Shea and Sir Michael Rose, the television audience voted Nato guilty as charged by 61 per cent to 39 per c ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Sun May 23 13:00:16 PDT 1999

2318 The weakness of the anti-war movement -- rank: 1000

In message <3.0.2.32.19990520235841.01284378 at pop.gn.apc.org>, Chris Burford <cburford at gn.apc.org> wrote >> >>>As General Mladic, the Serb general in Bosnia said, rape is good for >>>soldiers' morale. and I asked for a reference to which Wing Commander (Armchair Division) Burford replied >Does Jim find the remark so unbelievable? Rape does indeed strengthen a >certain type of male morale. Did it not set Rome on the path to imperial >glory? Transl ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Sat May 22 15:06:39 PDT 1999

2319 The weakness of the anti-war movement -- rank: 1000

In message <00d501bea2fd$b540c8e0$90f48482 at nsn2>, Nathan Newman <nathan.newman at yale.edu> writes >One more reason why all this "international law" distinction leaves me cold. >This illegimiate NATO war looks a hell of a lot more moral than that >"legitimate" war in the Gulf on behalf of oil interests. Or maybe it's you that has changed in the intervening years -- Jim heartfield

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Thu May 20 15:42:39 PDT 1999

2320 The weakness of the anti-war movement -- rank: 1000

In message <3.0.2.32.19990520075224.00d93250 at pop.gn.apc.org>, Chris Burford <cburford at gn.apc.org> writes >Jim is too intelligent to expect his urbane responses automatically to be >taken at face value. He knows the evidence that there is censorship in >Serbia. Yes indeed there is evidence of terrible censorship in the Yugoslav Republic. The murder of an oppositional journalist was a low point in the official manipulation of the news. But you should face up to the fact ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Thu May 20 11:05:44 PDT 1999

2321 Corporal Burford reporting for duty, military propaganda branch -- rank: 1000

In message <3.0.2.32.19990519190948.00727b5c at pop.gn.apc.org>, Chris Burford <cburford at gn.apc.org> writes >As General Mladic, the Serb general in Bosnia said, rape is good for >soldiers' morale. Oh come on, citation please! As Tony Blair said, I like to gouge the eyes out of little girls while ordering the repeal of welfare benefits... -- Jim heartfield

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Thu May 20 01:47:13 PDT 1999

2322 The weakness of the anti-war movement -- rank: 1000

In message <3.0.2.32.19990519083159.007591a0 at pop.gn.apc.org>, Chris Burford <cburford at gn.apc.org> writes >Reports are starting to come out in the western media of Yugoslavs trying >to avoid the call up Get away! I would never have believed that the Western media would say such terrible things about Yugoslavia's military... >Yesterday a report came out through Montenegro of demonstrations against >the war in Serbia Given that there have been umpteen, demonstrations a ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Wed May 19 11:22:41 PDT 1999

2323 Rugova Calls for Continuation of NATO airstrikes -- rank: 1000

In message <000a01bea12e$599ecee0$a4f38482 at nsn2>, Nathan Newman <nathan.newman at yale.edu> writes > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim heartfield <jim at heartfield.demon.co.uk> >To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com> >-If the KLA or Rugova were calling for independence, they might deserve >-our support, but in substance they are calling for the subordination of >-their region to a Western protectorate. > > >Ah, ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Tue May 18 11:36:24 PDT 1999

2324 Where's Lenin and Tojo? -- rank: 1000

In message <s7416e2f.016 at mail.ci.detroit.mi.us>, Charles Brown <CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us> writes >My vote is for Lenin who for the BETTER most influenced the course of history >over the past 100 years. I agree with Charles, Lenin, as leader of the Russian revolution shaped the twentieth century, Hitler was merely a reaction to the great steps forward that came through Lenin's challenge to imperialism, and so deserves only a secondary role. The African nationalist T ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Tue May 18 11:31:11 PDT 1999

2325 Rugova Calls for Continuation of NATO airstrikes -- rank: 1000

I've got no problem with saying that Rugova is wrong. Wrong to call for air-strikes against the Serbs, wrong to call for air-strikes against Kosovars. Rugova was the elected leader of Kosovo, not of the whole of the Balkans. His mandate does not extend to Belgrade or Novi Sad, any more than Tony Blair's does. If we disapprove of military actions by Serbs against Kosovars in violation of Kosovo's autonomy, how can we justify military action against Yugoslavia in violation of its sovereignty? But ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Mon May 17 16:55:20 PDT 1999