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1966 renouncing whiteness? -- rank: 1000

In message <F173xWn9R6mJB526tr50000811c at hotmail.com>, Justin Schwartz <jkschw at hotmail.com> writes > Why can't white workers have different and contradictory sets of > interests? As whites they benefit by the subordination of blacks, > browns, etc., in a number of ways: (1) their wages are higher; (2) > they reduce competition for jobs and other opportunities where > prejudicea nd racism forecloses blacks and other minorities; (3) > they enjoy ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Wed Nov 29 06:53:40 PST 2000

1967 renouncing whiteness? -- rank: 1000

I'm still confused about Chris's position. If the white working class has a material interest in perpetuating racial oppression, then his appeal to 'renounce whiteness' could be a moral one. Why should the white working class act against its own interests (accepting what seems to me quite wrong: that they do indeed gain by collaborating with racial oppression)? Doesn't this appeal to renounce whiteness succumb to precisely those errors that Engels describes in Utopian and Scientific Socialism: n ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Tue Nov 28 12:27:40 PST 2000

1968 renouncing whiteness -- rank: 1000

In message <3a217ae93a2a4ae2 at caroubier.wanadoo.fr>, Christopher B. Hajib-Niles <cniles at wanadoo.fr> writes many challenging points, but the nub of the argument I think is the following two disagreements: First disagreement. I wrote, critically of Roediger and Allen >I would say the core of their belief is >> that white people as a whole gain from black people - > To which Christopher replies >historically without a doubt but the current situation is more complex: ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Mon Nov 27 02:00:27 PST 2000

1969 Hail the Hitler-Stalin pact! -- rank: 1000

Nathan got this debate right. What was so reprehensible about the Hitler-Stalin pact was that the immediate exigency of defending the Soviet Union was falsely contrasted with the needs of the international working class. Stalin elevated tactical considerations of survival against the strategy of anti-capitalism. Consequently, Stalin saw the goals of the movement better served by alliances with imperialism than by independent working class organisation. As Nathan rightly says, the subsequent alli ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Sun Nov 26 16:26:31 PST 2000

1970 Capitalism = Fetters on "Growth"? (was Re: Beyond the Summary of Nader analysis) -- rank: 1000

In message <p05001905b63aa22460ac@[140.254.114.179]>, Yoshie Furuhashi <furuhashi.1 at osu.edu> writes >Does capitalism put "chains on the further development of the forces >of production"? In what sense? In many senses. Marx pointed to: the economic limit on investment under an exploitative system, that machinery was only introduced where it was cheaper than the wages paid workers, those being representing only a portion of the time expended upon production (necess ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Sun Nov 26 15:59:03 PST 2000

1971 renouncing whiteness -- rank: 1000

In message <3a2110a93a30c103 at bassia.wanadoo.fr>, Christopher B. Hajib- Niles <cniles at wanadoo.fr> writes >> White guilt - who needs it? > >first of all, can you point to anything in the above that has anything to do >with white guilt? Yes. I don't see how you can demand the renunciation of whiteness without making people feel guilty about being white. > second, you obviously have not much of this thread because >i've already made it clear that white guilt ne ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Sun Nov 26 08:14:10 PST 2000

1972 EuroArmy, BSE -- rank: 1000

The Week ending 26 November 2000 European Reaction Force: White Prestige revisited Tory Party leader William Hague put the British government under pressure over plans for a 'European Army'. Prime Minister Blair was accused of betraying British sovereignty by putting British soldiers under foreign command - a prospect made all the worse by the news that the proposed European Reaction Force is to serve under a German commander, Rainer Shuwirth, whose father was a major-general in the Budeswehr se ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Sun Nov 26 04:26:49 PST 2000

1973 renouncing whiteness -- rank: 1000

In message <3a1cdc753a45f5a2 at magnolia.wanadoo.fr>, Christopher B. Hajib- Niles <cniles at wanadoo.fr> writes >what is to be done? for starters, i would be very, very happy if, say, many >white anti-globalization kids in the u.s. would start publically attacking the >white race as the most profoundly destructive historical and social force over >the last 400-plus years and as the the most effective 'binding agent' for the >capitalist system during that time. i would ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Sat Nov 25 13:30:41 PST 2000

1974 MTV, Bulger, Emissions -- rank: 1000

The Week ending 19 November 2000 US sweeps up at Euro MTV awards American artists dominated the 2000 MTV Europe Music Awards on Thursday, taking 10 of the evening's 12 major awards at the ceremony, which was held at the Globe Arena in Stockholm, Sweden. The results were particularly galling for the UK pop industry. Britain's Department for Culture Media and Sports claims that 'the music industry is one the UK's biggest and most culturally significant creative industries' and that 'our main marke ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Sun Nov 19 01:07:51 PST 2000

1975 President Gore -- rank: 1000

In message <4.3.2.7.0.20001111110211.00c31800 at mail.staff.adelaide.edu.au >, Catherine Driscoll <catherine.driscoll at adelaide.edu.au> writes >Doug wrote: > >>I'm guessing that after a consultation with the ruling class, Gore will >>fold, in the interests of legitimacy and closure. If the Florida recount goes against him, he ought to fold, oughtn't he? He should have tried winning the voters over if he wanted to be president. -- James Heartfield

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Date:	Sat Nov 11 00:24:58 PST 2000

1976 Beyond the Summary of Nader analysis -- rank: 1000

In message <1.5.4.32.20001111062252.00dab864 at pop.sfo.com>, John Gulick <jlgulick at sfo.com> writes >How about a program of zero economic growth ? With a considerable part of the world mired in poverty, zero economic growth seems like a convenient way for the affluent West to secure its own economic advantage for all time. The problem with capitalism is not that it grows too fast, but that it puts chains on the further development of the forces of production. > An end to pro ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Sat Nov 11 00:22:30 PST 2000

1977 US elections, Environment -- rank: 1000

The Week ending 12 November 2000 US elections: have the people spoken? An electoral dead-heat between Republican presidential candidate George W Bush and Democrat Al Gore left the US in limbo. Though Gore won the highest number of votes by a slender margin, the US constitution provides for an electoral college with states voting representatives in proportion to their population. With most other states declared, the result depended upon Florida's vote. Initial results gave the Electoral College t ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Sun Nov 12 06:09:50 PST 2000

1978 Weather, US, Holocaust Industry -- rank: 1000

The Week ending 5 November 2000 'What a lot of weather we're having!' In England a discussion about the weather is the usual way to fill awkward silences. It was appropriate then that the cabinet met on Thursday to discuss the weather. 'Extreme weather conditions' are supposed to have brought the country to the point of collapse, proving the warnings about global warming and demanding emergency measures from government. In the name of tackling the crisis the government has usefully diverted supp ...

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Date:	Sun Nov 5 06:54:40 PST 2000

1979 Allies against fascism? -- rank: 1000

In message <sa01796e.093 at mail.ci.detroit.mi.us>, Charles Brown <CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us> writes >CB: "Collaboration" is not an accurate term for relations between states. The SU >was under no obligation to make symbolic gestures to make fine distinctions >among imperialist powers. It's diplomacy was appropriately targetted to maximize >the splits among the imperialist nations and delay the inevitable assault that >was most likely to come from Ger ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Thu Nov 2 16:39:40 PST 2000

1980 Allies against fascism? -- rank: 1000

In message <sa00059b.074 at mail.ci.detroit.mi.us>, Charles Brown <CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us> writes >This also applies to the non-aggression pact that the Soviets signed with >Germany before the war. It is only with hindsight, that we know the extent of >the Nazi horrors. In the late 30's, though Germany was highly militarized and >undemocratic, the full meaning of Nazi fascism as equivalent to world historic >war crimes and crimes against humanity was not es ...

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Date:	Wed Nov 1 14:52:51 PST 2000