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1951 Milosevic, Israel, ECHR -- rank: 1000

The Week ending 8 October 2000 The end of Milosevic On Thursday 6 October Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic stood down, having been defeated in the polls by rival Vojislav Kostunica, and challenged by a campaign of strikes and civil disobedience. Milosevic oversaw the destruction of Yugoslavia in his 12-year rule, with the secession of Slovenia and Croatia as well as the creation of United Nations' protectorates in Bosnia and Kosovo. It was in Kosovo that the former Communist politician firs ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Sun Oct 8 03:24:24 PDT 2000

1952 Re-delete it (Re: Reinsert (was Re: snip (was: Nut Casey)) -- rank: 1000

In message <5.0.0.25.2.20001009121955.00a4f280 at mail.gte.net>, kelley <kwalker2 at gte.net> writes >i don't see how leo was calling jim a "denier" Leo wrote on 5 October 'Jim will persist in his view that a genocide never took place.' (and let me state for the record, that I never doubted that close to a million Tutsis were killed on grounds of their race in 1994, nor ever said so.) -- James Heartfield Great Expectations: the creative industries in the New Economy is a ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Mon Oct 9 10:20:46 PDT 2000

1953 Amnesty, Human Rights condemn Rwanda regime -- rank: 1000

Having asserted that the Rwandan government is a harmonous and multi- ethnic one, Leo suddenly wants to draw a close to the discussion. Below is Amnesty's damning report on Kagame's repressive regime. Not surprising that Leo is retreating from his defence of Rwanda's military dictatorship. In March of this year, the last Hutu in the RPF dominated government was forced out. Pasteur Bizimungu is the third Hutu prime minister forced out of office since the new regime came to power in 1994, followin ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Thu Oct 5 12:44:17 PDT 2000

1954 Amnesty, Human Rights condemn Rwanda regime -- rank: 1000

In message <64.72190da.270e4e41 at aol.com>, LeoCasey at aol.com writes > Jim now says: ><< Having asserted that the Rwandan government is a harmonous and multi- >ethnic one, Leo suddenly wants to draw a close to the discussion. >> > >Of course, this was never the issue, nor the position I took. Just go back to >all of the original posts, OK, I'll go back to your original post, where you wrote In message <4b.1a31f78.270cae7b at aol.com>, LeoCasey at aol. ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Thu Oct 5 15:51:16 PDT 2000

1955 Rwandan Genocide -- rank: 1000

Oh come on Leo, your post is just a smoke-screen. You argued that my viewpoint, that the RPF was backed by the US was beyond the pale and that it was restricted to a lunatic fringe. I showed you that far from that being the case, it was well supported, by amongst others the Washington Post and the radical journal Covert Action Quarterly. Then you seek to rubbish the credentials of Covert Action Quarterly (why not the Washington Post?). Apparently CAQ carries articles by Michel Chossudovsky. Outr ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Wed Oct 4 16:05:32 PDT 2000

1956 Needs -- rank: 1000

I never really rated Geras that much, a view confirmed first time when I saw him debate Sean Sayers (I think, at a Radical Philosophy conference), and secodn when I read his latest miserable book, the 'contract of mutual indifference'. As to 'natural needs', I think this is a bit of a myth to. Man himself is an artificial creation, his own. Without labour (like early agriculture and hunting), man would never have remade himself from ape to man. Our basest beggars are, in the poorest things, supe ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Wed Oct 4 08:23:56 PDT 2000

1957 new economy rant from Jim O'Connor -- rank: 1000

In message <s9d9ef78.000 at mail.ci.detroit.mi.us>, Charles Brown <CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us> writes >CB: An example of trivialization by commercialization is automobile model >changeover EVERY year, no matter what new has been discovered. These are >artificial new "needs/wants". Well, OK, but I think that Marx's point is that ALL NEEDS are artificial. Per cent of disposable income spent on food Year US UK 50 20.6 - 55 18.8 - 60 17.4 35 65 15 31.1 70 13. ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Tue Oct 3 12:27:33 PDT 2000

1958 new economy rant from Jim O'Connor -- rank: 1000

I don't know if I qualify as a 'Marxpert', but let me take up the challenge. Marx's commodity fetishism was indeed concerned with 'use values' though not in the way that Jim wants. The point was that the use value of objects became the physical manifestation of social relations. Hence not just material relations between people, but social relations between things. Where Jim feels Marx is wanting, in a critique of the functionality of consumption, Marx is not indifferent, rather he explains the u ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Tue Oct 3 10:47:28 PDT 2000

1959 Niiice kitty.... -- rank: 1000

On the quote in question, I have a copy of Clive Ponting's Churchill book balanced on my knee right now, and I can confirm that the quote is word for word, except that the emphases have fallen off it with the loss of italics ('an innocent record and' 'altogether disproportionate' 'mainly acquired by violence, largely maintained by force'). Strike one to Chomsky. In message <001a01c02cd8$5b116a80$45bb0918 at sttln1.wa.home.com>, Lisa & Ian Murray <seamus at accessone.com> writes & ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Tue Oct 3 05:03:28 PDT 2000

1960 Rwandan Genocide -- rank: 1000

In message <3f.afd51fc.270a5686 at aol.com>, LeoCasey at aol.com writes that my aside on Rwanda is >one which has no currency whatsoever outside of the horizons of what >was _Living Marxism_ . The notion that >"American imperialists" gave even the slightest thought to what happened in >Rwanda, much less trained the RPF forces which finally put a stop to the >genocide, ventures into the realm of some pretty creative historical fiction. > One U.S. official intervi ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Tue Oct 3 00:34:10 PDT 2000

1961 Rwandan Genocide -- rank: 1000

In message <3f.afd51fc.270a5686 at aol.com>, LeoCasey at aol.com writes >The notion that >"American imperialists" gave even the slightest thought to what happened in >Rwanda, much less trained the RPF forces which finally put a stop to the >genocide, ventures into the realm of some pretty creative historical fiction. I'm sorry, are you really saying that the RPF were not trained and armed by the US? You really ought to think again. This is well established, and acknow ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Mon Oct 2 15:20:10 PDT 2000

1962 PRAGUE DECLARATION - 28 Sep 2000 -- rank: 1000

In message <p0433010fb5fe7e75c688@[216.254.77.128]>, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> writes >Jim heartfield wrote: > >>I'm not so sure. The press often denounce protests that are, for all >>that, no direct challenge to the powers-that-be. > >They didn't complain much about the fuel protests, did they? Well, yes some did, like the Guardian, third largest quality daily, which denounced the oil protesters as reactionaries (which indeed they were), but carrie ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Mon Oct 2 14:03:40 PDT 2000

1963 PRAGUE DECLARATION - 28 Sep 2000 -- rank: 1000

In message <p04330104b5fe40af3264@[166.84.250.86]>, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> writes Against Russell > But the reaction of the bourgeois press - and bourgeois >opinion leaders - is a hint that your analysis (that the "movement" >is one of "morally indignant elites") isn't grounded in reality. I'm not so sure. The press often denounce protests that are, for all that, no direct challenge to the powers-that-be. Whether the motivation for the prote ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Mon Oct 2 10:52:09 PDT 2000

1964 Labour's conference -- rank: 1000

The Week ending 1 October 2000 The listening Blair The Week reports from Labour's conference in Brighton. Blair's big hurdle was to convince the press that he was 'listening', as criticism that his government was out of touch had accelerated during the petrol blockade. In the event, a mistake with the air-conditioning gave the picture editors all the evidence they needed that he was working to win back the public's confidence as Blair drenched his shirt in sweat: listening and glistening. Blair' ...

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Author:	Jim heartfield
Date:	Sun Oct 1 06:08:10 PDT 2000

1965 Simple question on sanctions -- rank: 1000

The problem with the apparent success of the campaign for sanctions against South Africa was that it created a model of radical action against third world regimes that saw the state as a legitimate vehicle for progressive change. The more radical amongst us might not like it, but for many the campaign for sanctions against South Africa is the model for the campaign for sanctions against Iraq. In message <002b01c05a16$48be8640$2c80f7a5 at gcmm7>, Chris Kromm <ckromm at mindspring.com> ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Wed Nov 29 09:40:54 PST 2000