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1711 Why the Taliban hate women... -- rank: 1000

In message <5.0.0.25.2.20011107215044.04820120 at mail.gte.net>, Kelley <kwalker2 at gte.net> writes > you're subscribed to a list that has as its mission an attempt to get >over the economism of traditional marxism... ! This sounds suspiciously like a demand to toe the party line to me. Is there an LBO line on 'the economism of traditional Marxism'? If there is, let me protest. First off, the term 'economism', coined by Lenin plainly does not mean what Kelly means here. Lenin ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Thu Nov 8 09:43:53 PST 2001

1712 Leftists (white) and Black Liberation -- rank: 1000

In message <p05100310b80f669e0609@[216.254.77.128]>, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> writes >Art McGee wrote: > >>People such as >>Gilroy and Adolph Reed merely pontificate from the sidelines > >I don't know Gilroy, but I do know Adolph Reed, I know a little about Paul Gilroy, who has indeed written some books well-received in academia, and though I don't agree with all of his politics, it would be hard to say that his reputation was for not being involve ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Thu Nov 8 01:05:18 PST 2001

1713 Leftists (white) and Black Liberation, was Re: Civil Rights -- rank: 1000

In message <3BE94FFE.CF11B089 at ilstu.edu>, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> writes > > >James Heartfield wrote: >> I was not >> arguing that black people were innately conservative, only that they >> were not innately revolutionary. Wouldn't you agree? >> > >Raising the question of innateness merely obfuscates with tautology. If its a tautology, then I assume you agree that black people are not innately revolutionary. >We >are dealing wi ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Wed Nov 7 09:43:14 PST 2001

1714 Conservative women -- rank: 1000

In message <5.0.0.25.2.20011106222549.03e21be0 at mail.gte.net>, Kelley <kwalker2 at gte.net> writes >this is also true of white women who are socially conservative about their >own personal lives, but hesitant to impose their moralities on others. i >can dig out the research, if you'd like. In Britain women have consistently voted to the right of men. In 1985 Lisanne Radice could say that 'at no election had the labour party ever been able to command a majority of women's v ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Wed Nov 7 04:42:57 PST 2001

1715 Leftists (white) and Black Liberation, was Re: Civil Rights -- rank: 1000

In message <002c01c16725$07a9bd60$3e89f7a5 at u9m6p2>, Chris Kromm <ckromm at mindspring.com> writes >Ah yes, more convoluted inanity from Heartfield. You're so rude, Mr Kromm. But I think you misunderstood me. I was not arguing that black people were innately conservative, only that they were not innately revolutionary. Wouldn't you agree? -- James Heartfield

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Wed Nov 7 02:26:40 PST 2001

1716 Leftists (white) and Black Liberation, was Re: Civil Rights -- rank: 1000

In message <NEBBLFAOEKFDFJCKOHILAEJFCJAA.nucleus at superonline.com>, Hakki Alacakaptan <nucleus at superonline.com> writes With the proviso that it might be nonsense, Hakki proposes >I buy Art's story that blacks feel like the rest of the worlds' dispossessed >about S11, which can't be said about any other group. As blacks seem to be >the only radical force left at a time when the US is in danger of turning >fascist - for real, this time - is anyone in the left doing any ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Tue Nov 6 11:15:16 PST 2001

1717 Guilt of Nations -- rank: 1000

In message <005201c16687$891d4720$04c021c4 at net.mega>, Patrick Bond <pbond at wn.apc.org> writes >Well James, again, you completely miss the point: the merits of the >reparations issue, especially in relation to banks and corporations, for >current and future struggles against imperialism, i.e., the ACTIVIST >strategy. No surprise, can't teach an old dog new tricks. > Honestly Patrick you are so rude ... and blinkered. Your activist strategy is merely the pale imitat ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Mon Nov 5 23:55:50 PST 2001

1718 The People's (Surveillance) Court -- rank: 1000

Can I apologise to Kelley for failing to understand anything she posts....? In message <5.0.0.25.2.20011105221058.04d95d00 at mail.gte.net>, Kelley <kwalker2 at gte.net> writes >i'll take that apology from you and justin any day now since you're >both so keen on misrepresenting my views. > >Thanks in advance for your trouble, > >kelley > -- James Heartfield

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Tue Nov 6 00:03:01 PST 2001

1719 Max's wager -- rank: 1000

Chuck Grimes <cgrimes at rawbw.com> writes >Nobody I know or have talked to or seen around here in the SF bay area >is in the slightest worried---except by the ridiculous police-state >turns of the federal and state governments- In message <p05100313b80ccd220be4@[216.254.77.128]>, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> writes >Come over for a visit, James; I'll happily put you up at no cost. >Anthrax in the mail, tales of suitcase nuclear bombs that would cause > ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Tue Nov 6 00:19:21 PST 2001

1720 Civil Rights & Liberties or "White Privileges"? Re: Green Party official busted at gunpoint -- rank: 1000

In message <5.0.0.25.2.20011104121957.03a92620 at mail.gte.net>, Kelley <kwalker2 at gte.net> writes >she behaves as a privileged white woman when she: [continued below] I can't help but think that two separate issues are being confused here. First, if the unfortunate passenger was only being ill-treated by accident, so to speak, then yes, it's fair to say that it would hold up radicals to ridicule to cry wolf. Have we heard anything that says this is definitely the case? In all t ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Mon Nov 5 13:24:29 PST 2001

1721 Max's wager -- rank: 1000

In message <XFMail.011104113049.cgrimes at rawbw.com>, Chuck Grimes <cgrimes at rawbw.com> writes >I don't know about Max, but I feel much safer now. Where is Max, >anyway? I'm impressed by Chuck's sang froid, but if I'm not mistaken, it is out of character with the rest of the country, which seems to be in a state of hysterical panic. I don't subscribe to the view that the war makes Americans a greater target for terrorist attacks. But I do believe that increased security meas ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Mon Nov 5 13:29:01 PST 2001

1722 U.S. authorizes invasion of Netherlands -- rank: 1000

Given the use of the Hague to put the stamp of approval on Euro-US military intervention in the Balkans and elsewhere, one rather wishes that other countries would take America's lead, and undertake to liberate those jailed by this kangaroo court, by force of arms. (Incidentally to its underlying raison d'etre as imperialist victor's justice, the standards of evidence and rights accorded the accused at the Hague are grotesquely low: many Serb and Croatian soldiers were jailed not just on hearsay ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Mon Nov 5 12:31:49 PST 2001

1723 Top down or bottom up? -- rank: 1000

In message <F267WwAeRaNgEpTX5V30001c9e3 at hotmail.com>, Mina Kumar <wejazzjune at hotmail.com> writes >Leo Panitch has made the point that the involvement of urban gay groups >in support of the coal miners' strike in England created a vast change >in their (miners') attitudes towards feminism and gay rights. I'd take that with a (kindly) pinch of salt. The morale of the miners during the strike was a lot more brittle than appeared on the surface, and their bullishness belie ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Mon Nov 5 12:57:15 PST 2001

1724 "Afghan freedom fighters" Re: Brad weighs in -- rank: 1000

In message <p0500190ab80b0c363fb3@[140.254.113.82]>, Yoshie Furuhashi <furuhashi.1 at osu.edu> writes >If James, Dennis, Seth, or anyone has an article from the 80s about >Reagan, Thatcher, & the like praising the "Afghan freedom fighters," >please post it here or send it to me offlist. Thanks in advance! From M Thatcher's autobiog. The Downing Street Years [Nasir Bagh refugee camp, circa 30 September 1980] 'I told them of my admiration for their refusal to &q ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Mon Nov 5 13:15:33 PST 2001

1725 Guilt of Nations -- rank: 1000

In message <200111051316.PAA27797 at brain.sn.apc.org>, Patrick Bond <pbond at wn.apc.org> writes > imperialist corpos and their >state sponsors had better be careful about propping up >dictatorships, because the bill will come due, just as it did for >Jewish Holocaust victims. I can't comment on the specifics of the South African campaigns that Patrick Bond and Russell Grinker debate, but this quoted here is an indicative error on Patrick's part. Far from being a 'blow a ...

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Author:	James Heartfield
Date:	Mon Nov 5 14:32:45 PST 2001