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886 [lbo-talk] Salon: A real Wall Street takeover threat -- rank: 1000

On Sep 19, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Julio Huato wrote: > Hundreds of the young and disenfranchised settle into lower Manhattan > to send a message to Wall Street -- and Obama: > > http://www.salon.com/news/wall_street/index.html?story=/politics/feature/2011/09/18/wallstreet Matt Rosen, a protestor standing next to Laxson, agreed. "Obama's not on our side -- he's George W. Bush Part Two. And the only Republican candidate who speaks any sense is Ron Paul, and he doesn't stand a chance be ...

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Author:	Doug Henwood
Date:	Mon Sep 19 16:08:02 PDT 2011

887 [lbo-talk] Marx the millennium's 'greatest thinker' -- rank: 1000

Charles is filing news reports from 1999. On Sep 19, 2011, at 6:36 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > Well deserved. But it surprises me that he would be chosen. > > Joanna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "c b" <cb31450 at gmail.com> > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/461545.stm > > Marx the millennium's 'greatest thinker'

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Date:	Mon Sep 19 15:43:10 PDT 2011

888 [lbo-talk] Crap architecture -- rank: 1000

On Sep 18, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Michael Smith wrote: > Cornel West makes Vivaldi look good Wow, that's harsh. Have you heard his "rap"?

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Date:	Sun Sep 18 19:32:57 PDT 2011

889 [lbo-talk] Obama inches left, ha ha -- rank: 1000

---------------------------------------- News Alert: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new taxes September 18, 2011 9:29:50 PM ---------------------------------------- President Obama's plan to tame the nation s rocketing federal debt by finding at least $3 trillion in new savings, to be released Monday, includes $1.5 trillion in new taxes, according to a person familiar with the matter. Combined with his call earlier this month for $450 billion in new stimulus, the proposal represents a more po ...

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Date:	Sun Sep 18 18:37:30 PDT 2011

890 [lbo-talk] News from the Wall St protests? -- rank: 1000

On Sep 18, 2011, at 7:03 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > Probably, from descriptions on this list, it had more analysis, more definite goals, more organization than is usually the case this early in the development of a movement. All of those come later. To sneer at sloppy beginnings is to give up on anything better ever coming along. And analysis of what? All this fuss about just one event is bizarre. Did you actually read anything that went before? I can understand if you didn't, given your eyesigh ...

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Date:	Sun Sep 18 17:43:08 PDT 2011

891 [lbo-talk] Crap architecture -- rank: 1000

On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:35 PM, James Heartfield wrote: > Doug: You can hate the social arrangements without hating the people, James > > No doubt you can, but that s not an aesthetic criticism, is it? It'd be a pretty rarefied aesthetic that isn't embedded at least to some degree in social arrangements. Especially architecture. > And since we are talking about architecture, it is not obvious to me what social arrangements you are talking about. Oh, the awfulness of American suburbia, ...

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Date:	Sun Sep 18 11:44:31 PDT 2011

892 [lbo-talk] Crap architecture -- rank: 1000

On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:02 PM, James Heartfield wrote: > No doubt there are more than value judgements in principle to be made in architecture. > But I have to say that in my ten years writing about Britain s useless and frustrated construction industry, every single judgement I have ever read is just social conservatism masquerading as aesthetic critique. There are no end of snobs bemoaning every new development of every kind, from Ian Fleming s assault on the architect Goldfinger, right th ...

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Date:	Sun Sep 18 11:07:27 PDT 2011

893 [lbo-talk] Crap architecture -- rank: 1000

On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:50 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: > Nevertheless, it is also offensive in its poorly concealed contempt for the millions who _did_ read Guest. Every time you've said something like this in the ten+ years I've been emailing with you, I've asked you why you devoted your professional life to Pound and Milton and not Guest. You've never answered. My guess is that you're not as hostile to artistic hierarchies as you like to claim. Doug

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Date:	Sun Sep 18 10:55:15 PDT 2011

894 [lbo-talk] News from the Wall St protests? -- rank: 1000

On Sep 18, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Jim Farmelant wrote: > On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 22:27:28 -0400 Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> > writes: >> >> On Sep 17, 2011, at 10:23 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: >> >>> NYT made light of them? What do the feet on the ground say? >> >> We were going to but then it looked like rain. > > And with that level of determination, the Bolsheviks stormed > the Winter Palace. Well that was kind of my point. Th ...

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Date:	Sun Sep 18 08:50:46 PDT 2011

895 [lbo-talk] News from the Wall St protests? -- rank: 1000

On Sep 17, 2011, at 10:23 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote: > NYT made light of them? What do the feet on the ground say? We were going to but then it looked like rain.

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Date:	Sat Sep 17 19:27:28 PDT 2011

896 [lbo-talk] Art-Architecture Complex -- rank: 1000

On Sep 16, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Charles Turner wrote: > The remainder of the 1970s featured Annette Michelson's _October_ magazine and Sherrie Levine's "sampling" of famous photographs as the hot thing. That was sorta fun though wasn't it? Doug

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Date:	Fri Sep 16 14:05:07 PDT 2011

897 [lbo-talk] Killer of Sheep -- rank: 1000

On Sep 16, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Carrol Cox sneered: > All this chatter about the style & culture of the visible fringe of the "ruling class" is perhaps interesting chatter, but of course it has nothing whatever to do with either the rule of the ruling class or the sturdiness of capitalist relations of production. It seems the chatter of people who, having permanently given up changing the world pacify themselves by sneering (pointlessly) at those who rule and or enjoy the present ...

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Date:	Fri Sep 16 08:24:06 PDT 2011

898 [lbo-talk] Killer of Sheep -- rank: 1000

On Sep 16, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Charles Turner wrote: >> no architecture... > > Michael Eisner, Disney and their "signature buildings" concept. Prefigured in a way by Robert Venturi, no?

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Date:	Fri Sep 16 06:07:38 PDT 2011

899 [lbo-talk] quote -- rank: 1000

In the context of telling Obama to "panic" - meaning fire a lot of people, indict some bankers, and generally adopt a more ass-kicking posture, James Carville offers this precedent: http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/14/opinion/carville-white-house-advice/index.html?hpt=po_t2 > This may be news to you but this is not going well. For precedent, see Russian Army 64th division at Stalingrad. There were enough deaths at Stalingrad to make the entire tea party collectively orgasm.

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Date:	Fri Sep 16 05:39:17 PDT 2011

900 [lbo-talk] Is Obama Depressed? -- rank: 1000

On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Miles Jackson wrote: > I was playing on RR's sobriquet "The Great Communicator". Weak joke, I guess. Yup, but I had to police the ideological perimeters. It's my job as moderator.

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Date:	Thu Sep 15 12:54:46 PDT 2011